From: Ryan Gill (rmgill@mindspring.com)
Date: Fri Feb 08 2002 - 11:05:06 PST
At 10:32 AM -0600 2/8/02, Ted Hils - Ted's Trucks wrote:
>Nice job of investigative reporting, Rick. Sounds like CadillacGage either
>doesn't know what they are talking about or they are trying to bluff (read:
>bully) their way through.
That's their first try. The EFF has ways around that with good case law.
>
>Ted Hils
>Ted's Trucks 'N Stuff
>RR 2 Box 66H
>Midland City, Al 36350
>334-983-1092
>Mon.- Fri., 8-5 CST
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Richard Lathrop" <lathrrs@snip.net>
>To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
>Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 10:17 AM
>Subject: Re: [MV] [MVlist] CadillacGage.Com
>
>
>>
>> Good idea I would recommend that anyone interested in this thread,direct
>there attention to the following link.
>>
>>
>http://www.eff.org/IP/Internet_address_disputes/Ford_v_GreatDomains/20020110
>_eff_pr.html
>>
>> Ford sued website owners claiming that they infringed on copyrighted names
>vintagejaguar, etc. The court stated: "neither registering, nor warehousing,
>nor trafficking in a domain name that incorporates a protected trademark is
>alone sufficient to support claims of trademark infringement or dilution.
>Both causes of action require use of a trademark in connection with goods or
>services, which, in the cybersquatting context, generally will require
>evidence that the domain was used to host a website from which goods or
>services have been offered over the Internet."
>>
>> This is an issue that effects anyone out there that has domain names
>related to our much loved green things.
>>
>> Rick
>>
>>
>>
>> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
>> From: Rikk Rogers <rkltd@swbell.net>
>> Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 09:51:31 -0600
>>
>> >Call CNN first and see what they have to say.
>> >It is an interesting news item, and your use of the site has been for
>> >education, and the advancement of a historical item.
>> >This is not a case of domain squatting, and I'll pitch $20 into the
>defense
>> >fund.
>> >
>> >
>> >Rikk Rogers - RK Lion LTD.
>> >(580)762-3157 rkltd@swbell.net
>> >http://home.swbell.net/rkltd/
>> >-M35A2- -M38- MVPA -22345-
>> >
>> >
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: Military Vehicles Mailing List [mailto:mil-veh@mil-veh.org]On
>> >Behalf Of Richard Lathrop
>> >Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 2:30 AM
>> >To: Military Vehicles Mailing List
>> >Subject: Re: [MV] [MVlist] CadillacGage.Com
>> >
>> >
>> >Jack and other list members,
>> >
>> >I wish to thank you for your kind words of support. Jack is correct what
>> >they are alleging is domain squatting. I have never had an issue with the
>> >ultimate ownership of the domain name. I was more upset by the tone
>rather
> > >then the subject of the request.
> > >
> > >Back when I set the site up Textron Marine and Land had zero interest in
>the
> > >site it has only been recently that this has even shown up on there
>radar. I
>> >could allege that by posting thier sales brochures online for 4 years I
>was
>> >giving them free advertising. Since the site was never intended to
>generate
>> >profit and was simply a site to tell the story of a product there was no
>> >violation of trademark or copyright laws.
>> >
>> >Several people have suggested trading it for an armored car or access to
>> >thier records. This request was met with a threat of unloosing the
>corporate
>> >lawyers on me.
>> >
>> >My whole take on the situation is that suddenly in the security concious
>US
>> >following September 11th they want people to find them at this web
>address
>> >rather then a simple website.
>> >
>> >I have nether the time nor finances to fight this battle. The site will
>come
>> >down on Sunday.
>> >
>> >Rick
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
>> >From: Cougarjack@aol.com
>> >Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 01:55:42 EST
>> >
>> >>I believe there have already been court cases dealing with this issue.
>It
>> >is refered to as "Domain squatting" when you register a domain name
>that's
>> >unique to someone else's trade or service mark. If they ultimately want
>it,
>> >the current doctrine seems to say that they get it. I'm not aware of
>anyone
>> >who has won this fight, or has succeeded in selling the URL or collecting
>> >any revenue whatsoever on it. In the early days of the web, certain
>> >visionaries flocked to register such famous names as Coca Cola, General
>> >Motors, etc. In the beginning, a few of these fellows managed to sell the
>> >urls for moderate amounts of cash. But as the practice caught on, and
>CEO's
>> >began to understand the value of the web, corporate America responded as
>> >they usually do, with busloads of lawyers and pockets full of corrupt
>> >Congressmen. As a result, most of these have been forced by the courts to
>> >surrender them.
>> >> Sorry Rick! (there's always Amway!)
>> >>
>> >>In a message dated Thu, 7 Feb 2002 5:53:25 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>Rikk
>> >Rogers <rkltd@swbell.net> writes:
>> >>
>> >>> You have time and sweat invested in the URL, it is worth a Bunch to
>them.
>> >>> 1. you could make them pay out the nose for it.
>> >>> 2. you could rent space on your URL to them.
>> >>> 3. you could make em hire you as their web developer, as a contractor.
>> >>>
>> >>> Just don't give it to em w/o a fight, and do get a copyright and
>patents
>> >>> lawyer.
>> >>> And let em know how you feel about the way they have acted.
>> >>
>> >>
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