From: Dave Cole (DavidCole@tk7.net)
Date: Thu May 16 2002 - 07:51:57 PDT
I can relate to the red line across the form. I've given up on expecting the BMV to be logical. A better line regarding the odometer might be "well it appears
to have 25231 miles" and leave it at that. I don't know what else you can do. Besides, does it really matter if the truck has 10,000 or 20,000 miles if the
engine, transmission and two rear axles have been replaced ove the life of the 1965 truck? I don't think so.
Dave
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
5/15/2002 8:26:14 AM, "John Souza" <John.Souza@ci.fresno.ca.us> wrote:
>John,
>
>I think what Kenny is try to say is there is a lot of wrong information on the Form 97. If the serial does not match the serial on the frame when the DMV
person does the VIN verification that will be a problem. Some times the frame serial numbers have so much paint it is hard to see. Not all the truck that I have
bought through DRMO had data plates. The book (the ones that exist only behind the counter that they ponder over and wisper with their supervior about) at
DMV states that all ex-military vehicles are required to have a Form 97.
>I had a CHP do a VIN verification for me on a truck that the speedometer was missing. When I took it to DMV, the lady said taht I needed a mileage. I told
here that the speedometer was missing and I have to find a replacement. She stated "I still need a mileage" I explained to her that it was irrelevant due that
the fact that the mileage on the speedometer that I was going to put in was not going to be refective of the vehicles acutual miles.
>That is when she took her red pen and marked through the blank where the mileage was suppose to go and handed the form to me and said to have it
done over. At that point I wished I had looked at the form closer prior to going in and put in an abitrary number in the blank. Maybe she felt she was going to
get an award that week for being a royal pain. She had my vote.
>I have been real lucky with get correct and corrected F97's from DRMO even after the truck has left the base. I usually had to call the base and tell then
the problem. I would then photo copy the data plate and send back the wrong F97 and then the correct one would arrive. It sounds like GL is only giving the
buyer one shot at it. If it is wrong, too bad. But, I believe that they should have an obligation to get the paper work correctly. I know it would be hard to do,
but buyers can always boycott. Just don't buy the trucks.... Buyers set the price on auctions.
>
>John Souza
>MVPA #2697
>Fresno, CA
>
>
>>>> "Hutterer, John - Deltec" <john.hutterer@deltec.com> 5/15/02 5:28:28 AM >>>
>Kenny,
>
>Correct me if I'm wrong...but isn't what GL is now apparently doing pretty
>much what the Government did all along? I bought my M816 through the GSA, so
>I can't claim first-hand knowledge of buying from an actual DRMO. I just
>received a Form 97 and had to go get an actual title from my home state. It
>seems that this is exactly what GL is now doing. It took me less than an
>hour (some discussion with the DMV was necessary :))to get my title. It
>seems that is a whole lot better than the months of waiting that many List
>members have commented on with GL trying to produce actual titles for the
>vehicles that they have sold. Have I missed something?
>
>John
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Recovry4x4@aol.com [mailto:Recovry4x4@aol.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 2:55 AM
>To: mil-veh@mil-veh.org
>Subject: [MV] GL
>
>
>Anybody noticed the absence of David Wright on the list lately? I sent him
>an email direct on Monday and it's still unanswered. It appears that GL has
>changed their title policy again. Now the fine print states that they (GL)
>will assign the form 97 on an "as is, where is" basis. Awe heck, read it
>yourself, its attached. Basically they accept no responsibility on the
>accuracy of the SF97 and no longer provide a title of any sorts. Either
>the
>SF97 has to come in our name or the SF97 has been changed to make it
>transferrable. If anybody has experienced this yet, post your experience
>for the list. Thanks....Kenny
>
>GL Wording;
>Transfer of Title to Vehicles
>
>All vehicles sold by Seller are covered by "The United States Government
>Certificate to Obtain Title to a Vehicle" (Form 97). Upon completion of any
>sale of vehicles by Seller to Buyer, Seller will assign the Form 97 to Buyer
>
>on an "as is, where is" basis. Buyer understands that the Form 97 contains
>information provided by the Government that may not be accurate or complete.
>
>Buyer is solely responsible for obtaining any state title or otherwise
>registering the vehicle for use in any state or other jurisdiction. Seller
>has no obligation to Buyer other than to assign the Form 97. Buyer is also
>responsible for obtaining any necessary state or local permits permitting
>Buyer to move any vehicle from the location of sale. Buyer agrees to defend,
>
>indemnify and hold Seller harmless for Buyer's failure to comply with the
>provisions of this Section. The effective date for the above provisions is
>March 29, 2002.
>
>
>Kenneth Engle
>Loxahatchee, FL U.S.A.
>AM General M-35A2
>Fruehauf M105A1
>MVPA #24371
>http://hometown.aol.com/recovry4x4/myhomepage/photo.html
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