From: m35products (m35prod@optonline.net)
Date: Mon Mar 17 2003 - 20:20:13 PST
It's a good thing that the Yankees didn't "Love it or leave it" back in
1776. We'd still be speaking English...well, you know what I mean... I'm
glad they followed the advice: "Fix it or F**k it".
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chuck" <csimpson90@comcast.net>
To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 7:49 PM
Subject: Re: [MV] The French crybabies and unimogs
>
>
> Children, if you don't calm down I will have to spank you
> all and send you to your room. If you are going to argue be an adult
> and take it off list. I don't want to hear you're ranting about
> subjects you are not qualified to talk about. The dispute about the
> election is irrelevant; the president was elected by a method set
> forth by the founders of this government a long time ago. If you wish
> to cry about it cry to your congressman or get off your lazy ass and
> get involved yourself. If your beliefs are sincere and you are
> educated on the matter then I say choose your words carefully because
> you can be correct and calm 99% of the time but it's the one time you
> are wrong and loose your temper that people remember. As far as the
> conflict overseas the officials that make the decisions were elected
> by the populous of the United States and if even if your candidate did
> not win you should still back the one that did. The United States is
> slowly loosing the values that it was founded on. Ignorant people that
> want to scream and yell every time the president or an elected
> official crosses their beliefs are slowly turning us into a nation of
> cynics and posers with no honor or pride. We are the most powerful
> nation in the world and with this come great responsibility. The world
> looks to us in bad times, what image do we show when all they see is
> officials arguing on TV and disagreeing with the people we chose to
> represent us. If you disagree with the way things happen then do
> something to fix the problems. If you cant seem to overcome your petty
> differences then I have a couple of fence posts at my house I'm sure
> you can win a argument with. I am a citizen of the United States of
> America I believe in the government and our elected officials. I
> believe that every American should back our nation and show the world
> that we are truly united.
>
>
>
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>
> MV content:
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> I'm looking for a Unimog 404 cheap anyone know of one?
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>
>
> Charles Simpson
>
> Born In the USA and damn proud of it
>
> Love it or Leave it
>
> csimpson@militaryvehicle.org
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mugno, Anthony" <AMugno@SITAAPS.org>
> Date: Monday, March 17, 2003 6:27 am
> Subject: Re: [MV] The French
>
> > Blah Blah Blah
> >
> > I never claimed to be the list moderator.
> >
> > As for cheap oil think about this (if your brain has a forward
> > gear) If we
> > wanted cheap oil all we have to do is remove the sanctions from
> > Iraq and
> > they would flood the world market with cheap crude. Dont forget
> > they need
> > all the money they can get to fund nuclear weapons. Oops I
> > forgot, That
> > reactor was for alternative energy development. As they worlds
> > largestowner of crude they really really do need nuclear energy to
> > boil goats milk.
> > Stupid me!!!
> >
> > I would get into a battle of wits with you but you are unarmed and
> > such a
> > fight would be immoral on my part.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: David Cole [DavidCole@tk7.net]
> > Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 8:10 PM
> > To: mil-veh@mil-veh.org
> > Subject: Re: [MV] The French
> >
> >
> > Excuse me! The last time I checked you were not the list moderator.
> >
> > I knew that your ranting was going down hill and you proved your
> > knowledge
> > by the last line in your message. You can sign off from the list
> > anytime
> > you like or hit the delete key like everyone else who doesn't want
> > to read
> > a thread. (That's the key that says D-E-L-E-T-E on the keyboard)
> > If that
> > doesn't work, do all of us a favor and pull the plug on your
> computer.
> >
> > > We elect our leaders with the expectation they will look out for
> us.
> >
> > First of all, G. Bush wasn't elected by the majority of Americans.
> > He lost
> > the popular vote. He was voted in by the supreme court, remember?
> >
> > G. Bush want's us to shut up and keep on going while the country
> > goes down
> > the dumper with his obsession with Iraq. Iraq can't even launch a
> > Piper
> > Cub without us tracking it via Radar. They can't point a radar
> > antenna at
> > a dog without us knowing about it. Comparisons to Hitler? Come
> > on, the
> > guy is totally contained. Is Saddam a bad guy, sure. Him and
> > about 50
> > other country leaders should go.
> >
> > > As such we must place out trust in them to do the right thing.
> >
> > Yeah right, George Bush has no interest in the Oil Companies,
> > Nixon was an
> > excellent president, and Bill Clinton was a real moral guy. Tell
> > me more,
> > you are just overflowing with wisdom, or is that...
> >
> > > Otherwise sit back and SHUT THE F@%K UP
> >
> > OK, now you have truly proved your intelligence. Yes, you have
> > certainly
> > impressed me. That's about as un-American as it gets. I'm sure
> > Sadam
> > requests the same of the people under his thumb. Gosh, I guess
> > you
> > probably think that you have leadership potential now. Do us all
> > a favor
> > and pull the plug!!!
> >
> > Flameproof Dave
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 09:40:46 -0500, Mugno, Anthony
> > <AMugno@SITAAPS.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Oh yeah one more thing!!
> > >
> > > As for those Human shields who have gone over their. I applaud
> > them.
> > > They
> > > stand out from the average Iraqi who is NOT there by choice.
> > They make
> > > damn
> > > good targets that can be easily be distinguished from the locals.
> > > I'll even help "paint" those targets maybe Saddam will use them
> > to try to
> > > protect sensitive military sites hehehe
> > >
> > > We elect our leaders with the expectation they will look out for
> > us. As
> > > such we must place out trust in them to do the right thing. If
> > you are
> > > unhappy about the results of an election then get out their and
> > motivate> more of your friends to vote next. Otherwise sit back
> > and SHUT THE F@%K
> > > UP
> > >
> > > That is All
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Glen Bedel [GBedel@designforum.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 8:58 AM
> > > To: mil-veh@mil-veh.org
> > > Subject: Re: [MV] The French
> > >
> > >
> > > Typically a criminal in this country if told by the Police to
> > drop your
> > > weapons), you do as they say or suffer the consequences. There
> > is always
> > > no
> > > time to argue about time to disarm.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: John Seidts [jseidts@astory.com] Sent: Wednesday, March
> > 12,
> > > 2003 8:51 AM
> > > To: mil-veh@mil-veh.org
> > > Subject: Re: [MV] The French
> > >
> > >
> > > Steve,
> > > You are right about history, but remember whose father put
> > Saddam in
> > > power, who funded the Mujaheddin and then dropped them like a
> > hot potato,
> > > and who stood around while lots of muslims were ethnically
> > cleansed in
> > > the
> > > Balkans. We also tolerated the Turkish solution to the "Kurd"
> > problem,> which was to declare them terrorists (which they rightly
> > were) and kill
> > > lots
> > > of them, driving them into Iraq; now of course, they are our
> deepest
> > > concern.
> > > I think that my objection to this war is the one most of Europe
> > has-
> > > give the disarmament a chance. If we let ourselves get into a
> > conflict> where WMD is used, we are setting a precedent that has
> > few borders.
> > > There
> > > is a strong Pan-Islamic movement in the middle east, whether we
> > want to
> > > admit to it or not, and I think us respectfully allowing a
> > nation to
> > > choose
> > > its path is better in the long term than going to war. Not
> > doing so is
> > > to
> > > risk a spiraling security problem here in the US. Maybe not
> > more WTC's,
> > > but
> > > certainly more sniper incidents, Atlanta Olympic bombings, etc.
> > Saddam's> smoke in mirrors anyway-his day is coming due to his
> > age. My solution-
> > > just take the oil fields, and pump them while holding the money
> > in
> > > escrow,
> > > less the cost of the occupation. Saddam will be gone in a year.
> > > The rest of the security council is just trying to make sure we are
> > > not bailing out our economy by going after the cheap oil in
> > Iraq.
> > > Especially
> > > when our leaders are talking about possibly decades of
> > occupation of the
> > > country?
> > > Any how, this is only a prelude to what is going to happen with
> > > China. The worlds fastest growing economy is going to come into
> > conflict> with the worlds second longest standing rich economy,
> > I'm sure. And I'd
> > > rather have the hands clean on the part of the US before we get
> > into that
> > > one. That is the real future conflict I am talking about.
> > Anything we
> > > do
> > > today that reverberates for 40 years (as a unilateral attack
> > will do) is
> > > something we need to consider very carefully. Colin Powell, the
> > one I
> > > respect most out of our leadership right now, felt the same way.
> > He was
> > > told to toe the line...
> > > Then again, if our economy is in the tank as bad as they suspect it
> > > will go in the White House-then we need the cheap oil!!!
> > >
> > > I think you know what I am saying when I mention the term
> > > "wannabees." I think we are being pretty strongly propagandized
> > right
> > > now,
> > > with the alerts, predictions of cost in fighting terrorism, etc.
> > and
> > > those
> > > who are emotionally tied to military history are very quick to
> > jump on
> > > the
> > > war band wagon. I am tied to it in the same way. But there are
> > lots of
> > > level heads out there, with much military experience, who are
> > saying to
> > > be
> > > cautious with this one; they realize that maybe this is not as
> > serious
> > > as
> > > we make it out to be. I am very concerned that we are being
> > driven down
> > > a
> > > road that has fewer forks in the future.
> > > We shouldn't be led there by wannabee power projectionists. If our
> > > administration thinks that we can send Madison Avenue to Europe,
> > Africa,
> > > the
> > > Middle East, and Asia and improve the US image while we are
> > engaging in
> > > hostile acts against Iraq, they are wrong. The world judges us
> > not by
> > > the
> > > last two years of our history, but the last 40 years. Vietnam,
> > refusal
> > > to
> > > ship wheat to Russia during famines, indifference during African
> > > revolution
> > > and genocide, refusal to deal with the Indian Subcontinent
> > crisis (which
> > > is
> > > a MUCH more serious threat to world stability than Iraq, as far
> > as I am
> > > concerned-remember what nationality sells you your morning
> > coffee every
> > > day
> > > and what they could put in it), and corporate ventures into
> > China's
> > > economy
> > > without end. We don't look good. There are countries out there
> > that
> > > look
> > > at us as Germany was perceived during WWII, with great horror,
> > but no
> > > real
> > > way to stop us. We are pretty much the strongest military
> > nation on
> > > earth,
> > > and we need to wield that power carefully-that's for sure...
> > >
> > > We might be able to keep a billion muslims from uniting, or
> > postpone it
> > > for
> > > a while. But we might have trouble keeping a billion Hindu's, 2
> > billion> Chinese, and a billion muslims from fighting us to a draw
> > if we don't
> > > project our power wisely...
> > >
> > > Just a different point of view to think about...
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Steve & Jeanne Keith" <cckw@attbi.com>
> > > To: "John Seidts" <jseidts@astory.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 8:06 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [MV] The French
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > I should've mentioned that.
> > >>
> > >> Prolly yes
> > >>
> > >> > Of course, that rant by me, former US Army
> > >> > Special Forces for 10 years....
> > >>
> > >> Thank you for your service to this country!
> > >>
> > >> With all due respect though, battlefield/military
> > >> experience is 'wonderful' teacher, however history
> > >> is a better one IMHO
> > >>
> > >> Thanks again
> > >> Steve
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
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