From: Chuck (csimpson90@comcast.net)
Date: Mon Mar 17 2003 - 16:49:27 PST
Children, if you don't calm down I will have to spank you
all and send you to your room. If you are going to argue be an adult
and take it off list. I don't want to hear you're ranting about
subjects you are not qualified to talk about. The dispute about the
election is irrelevant; the president was elected by a method set
forth by the founders of this government a long time ago. If you wish
to cry about it cry to your congressman or get off your lazy ass and
get involved yourself. If your beliefs are sincere and you are
educated on the matter then I say choose your words carefully because
you can be correct and calm 99% of the time but it's the one time you
are wrong and loose your temper that people remember. As far as the
conflict overseas the officials that make the decisions were elected
by the populous of the United States and if even if your candidate did
not win you should still back the one that did. The United States is
slowly loosing the values that it was founded on. Ignorant people that
want to scream and yell every time the president or an elected
official crosses their beliefs are slowly turning us into a nation of
cynics and posers with no honor or pride. We are the most powerful
nation in the world and with this come great responsibility. The world
looks to us in bad times, what image do we show when all they see is
officials arguing on TV and disagreeing with the people we chose to
represent us. If you disagree with the way things happen then do
something to fix the problems. If you cant seem to overcome your petty
differences then I have a couple of fence posts at my house I'm sure
you can win a argument with. I am a citizen of the United States of
America I believe in the government and our elected officials. I
believe that every American should back our nation and show the world
that we are truly united.
MV content:
I'm looking for a Unimog 404 cheap anyone know of one?
Charles Simpson
Born In the USA and damn proud of it
Love it or Leave it
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mugno, Anthony" <AMugno@SITAAPS.org>
Date: Monday, March 17, 2003 6:27 am
Subject: Re: [MV] The French
> Blah Blah Blah
>
> I never claimed to be the list moderator.
>
> As for cheap oil think about this (if your brain has a forward
> gear) If we
> wanted cheap oil all we have to do is remove the sanctions from
> Iraq and
> they would flood the world market with cheap crude. Dont forget
> they need
> all the money they can get to fund nuclear weapons. Oops I
> forgot, That
> reactor was for alternative energy development. As they worlds
> largestowner of crude they really really do need nuclear energy to
> boil goats milk.
> Stupid me!!!
>
> I would get into a battle of wits with you but you are unarmed and
> such a
> fight would be immoral on my part.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Cole [DavidCole@tk7.net]
> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 8:10 PM
> To: mil-veh@mil-veh.org
> Subject: Re: [MV] The French
>
>
> Excuse me! The last time I checked you were not the list moderator.
>
> I knew that your ranting was going down hill and you proved your
> knowledge
> by the last line in your message. You can sign off from the list
> anytime
> you like or hit the delete key like everyone else who doesn't want
> to read
> a thread. (That's the key that says D-E-L-E-T-E on the keyboard)
> If that
> doesn't work, do all of us a favor and pull the plug on your
computer.
>
> > We elect our leaders with the expectation they will look out for
us.
>
> First of all, G. Bush wasn't elected by the majority of Americans.
> He lost
> the popular vote. He was voted in by the supreme court, remember?
>
> G. Bush want's us to shut up and keep on going while the country
> goes down
> the dumper with his obsession with Iraq. Iraq can't even launch a
> Piper
> Cub without us tracking it via Radar. They can't point a radar
> antenna at
> a dog without us knowing about it. Comparisons to Hitler? Come
> on, the
> guy is totally contained. Is Saddam a bad guy, sure. Him and
> about 50
> other country leaders should go.
>
> > As such we must place out trust in them to do the right thing.
>
> Yeah right, George Bush has no interest in the Oil Companies,
> Nixon was an
> excellent president, and Bill Clinton was a real moral guy. Tell
> me more,
> you are just overflowing with wisdom, or is that...
>
> > Otherwise sit back and SHUT THE F@%K UP
>
> OK, now you have truly proved your intelligence. Yes, you have
> certainly
> impressed me. That's about as un-American as it gets. I'm sure
> Sadam
> requests the same of the people under his thumb. Gosh, I guess
> you
> probably think that you have leadership potential now. Do us all
> a favor
> and pull the plug!!!
>
> Flameproof Dave
>
>
>
> On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 09:40:46 -0500, Mugno, Anthony
> <AMugno@SITAAPS.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Oh yeah one more thing!!
> >
> > As for those Human shields who have gone over their. I applaud
> them.
> > They
> > stand out from the average Iraqi who is NOT there by choice.
> They make
> > damn
> > good targets that can be easily be distinguished from the locals.
> > I'll even help "paint" those targets maybe Saddam will use them
> to try to
> > protect sensitive military sites hehehe
> >
> > We elect our leaders with the expectation they will look out for
> us. As
> > such we must place out trust in them to do the right thing. If
> you are
> > unhappy about the results of an election then get out their and
> motivate> more of your friends to vote next. Otherwise sit back
> and SHUT THE F@%K
> > UP
> >
> > That is All
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Glen Bedel [GBedel@designforum.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 8:58 AM
> > To: mil-veh@mil-veh.org
> > Subject: Re: [MV] The French
> >
> >
> > Typically a criminal in this country if told by the Police to
> drop your
> > weapons), you do as they say or suffer the consequences. There
> is always
> > no
> > time to argue about time to disarm.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Seidts [jseidts@astory.com] Sent: Wednesday, March
> 12,
> > 2003 8:51 AM
> > To: mil-veh@mil-veh.org
> > Subject: Re: [MV] The French
> >
> >
> > Steve,
> > You are right about history, but remember whose father put
> Saddam in
> > power, who funded the Mujaheddin and then dropped them like a
> hot potato,
> > and who stood around while lots of muslims were ethnically
> cleansed in
> > the
> > Balkans. We also tolerated the Turkish solution to the "Kurd"
> problem,> which was to declare them terrorists (which they rightly
> were) and kill
> > lots
> > of them, driving them into Iraq; now of course, they are our
deepest
> > concern.
> > I think that my objection to this war is the one most of Europe
> has-
> > give the disarmament a chance. If we let ourselves get into a
> conflict> where WMD is used, we are setting a precedent that has
> few borders.
> > There
> > is a strong Pan-Islamic movement in the middle east, whether we
> want to
> > admit to it or not, and I think us respectfully allowing a
> nation to
> > choose
> > its path is better in the long term than going to war. Not
> doing so is
> > to
> > risk a spiraling security problem here in the US. Maybe not
> more WTC's,
> > but
> > certainly more sniper incidents, Atlanta Olympic bombings, etc.
> Saddam's> smoke in mirrors anyway-his day is coming due to his
> age. My solution-
> > just take the oil fields, and pump them while holding the money
> in
> > escrow,
> > less the cost of the occupation. Saddam will be gone in a year.
> > The rest of the security council is just trying to make sure we are
> > not bailing out our economy by going after the cheap oil in
> Iraq.
> > Especially
> > when our leaders are talking about possibly decades of
> occupation of the
> > country?
> > Any how, this is only a prelude to what is going to happen with
> > China. The worlds fastest growing economy is going to come into
> conflict> with the worlds second longest standing rich economy,
> I'm sure. And I'd
> > rather have the hands clean on the part of the US before we get
> into that
> > one. That is the real future conflict I am talking about.
> Anything we
> > do
> > today that reverberates for 40 years (as a unilateral attack
> will do) is
> > something we need to consider very carefully. Colin Powell, the
> one I
> > respect most out of our leadership right now, felt the same way.
> He was
> > told to toe the line...
> > Then again, if our economy is in the tank as bad as they suspect it
> > will go in the White House-then we need the cheap oil!!!
> >
> > I think you know what I am saying when I mention the term
> > "wannabees." I think we are being pretty strongly propagandized
> right
> > now,
> > with the alerts, predictions of cost in fighting terrorism, etc.
> and
> > those
> > who are emotionally tied to military history are very quick to
> jump on
> > the
> > war band wagon. I am tied to it in the same way. But there are
> lots of
> > level heads out there, with much military experience, who are
> saying to
> > be
> > cautious with this one; they realize that maybe this is not as
> serious
> > as
> > we make it out to be. I am very concerned that we are being
> driven down
> > a
> > road that has fewer forks in the future.
> > We shouldn't be led there by wannabee power projectionists. If our
> > administration thinks that we can send Madison Avenue to Europe,
> Africa,
> > the
> > Middle East, and Asia and improve the US image while we are
> engaging in
> > hostile acts against Iraq, they are wrong. The world judges us
> not by
> > the
> > last two years of our history, but the last 40 years. Vietnam,
> refusal
> > to
> > ship wheat to Russia during famines, indifference during African
> > revolution
> > and genocide, refusal to deal with the Indian Subcontinent
> crisis (which
> > is
> > a MUCH more serious threat to world stability than Iraq, as far
> as I am
> > concerned-remember what nationality sells you your morning
> coffee every
> > day
> > and what they could put in it), and corporate ventures into
> China's
> > economy
> > without end. We don't look good. There are countries out there
> that
> > look
> > at us as Germany was perceived during WWII, with great horror,
> but no
> > real
> > way to stop us. We are pretty much the strongest military
> nation on
> > earth,
> > and we need to wield that power carefully-that's for sure...
> >
> > We might be able to keep a billion muslims from uniting, or
> postpone it
> > for
> > a while. But we might have trouble keeping a billion Hindu's, 2
> billion> Chinese, and a billion muslims from fighting us to a draw
> if we don't
> > project our power wisely...
> >
> > Just a different point of view to think about...
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Steve & Jeanne Keith" <cckw@attbi.com>
> > To: "John Seidts" <jseidts@astory.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 8:06 AM
> > Subject: Re: [MV] The French
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> > I should've mentioned that.
> >>
> >> Prolly yes
> >>
> >> > Of course, that rant by me, former US Army
> >> > Special Forces for 10 years....
> >>
> >> Thank you for your service to this country!
> >>
> >> With all due respect though, battlefield/military
> >> experience is 'wonderful' teacher, however history
> >> is a better one IMHO
> >>
> >> Thanks again
> >> Steve
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
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