From: Chris Davis (cdavis@webworldinc.com)
Date: Tue Apr 08 2003 - 10:15:12 PDT
I saw one being looted the other night. Commentator was saying that the
local Iraqi population was picking over an abandoned Republican Guard
installation and the footage showed a smiling local behind the wheel of an
M151 being towed past the camera by a Toyota pickup.
So, apparently back when we were on friendlier terms with Sadam (late 70's
early 80's) we sold (or gave) him an M151 or two. I guess in theory, your
could have an M151 on M151 engagement if two recon groups ran into each
other in the desert.
I'd vote for the one with air support however...
Chris Davis
At 12:57 PM 4/8/03 -0400, Glen Bedel wrote:
>I'll verify the 151 sighting.... (still unbelievable)
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ronzo [mailto:rojoha@attbi.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 12:49 PM
>To: mil-veh@mil-veh.org
>Subject: [MV] List of Inadequate Eqiupment used in Iraq
>
>
>Hey all !!
> How about starting a list of equipment used by Uncle Sugar in Iraq that
>was deemed uneconomical, too complicated or expensive to maintain, or just
>not sexy enough to keep in the inventory, but seems to do just fine in bogus
>conditions.
>
>Things like:
>
> 1) A10 Thunderbolt II (aka Warthog) [obsolete, no "GEE WHIZ" factor]
> 2) M113 family of APCs [unreliable, too slow]
> 3) M35A2 trucks [too expensive to maintain, obsolete]
> 4) SUSV [no planned invasion of Norway in near future?]
> 5) M151 {one reported sighting}
> 6) B52 {Block one aircraft frame found in Le Brea tar pits in
>1873]
> 7) Commercial vehicles Like the International Box trucks seen
>accompanying the 3rd ID deep in the desert (Sand tan cab, big white boxes
>with power tailgates)
>
>How about unworkable concepts that the brains at Fort Fumble say are too old
>to work.....
>
> Marines..... for amphibious assaults only, close to the shore line ,
>supposedly ineffective for deep penetration. Presently 150 miles into Iraq
>because:
> 1) Army Generals forget about them, didn't notice they will soon
>overrun Baghdad, then continue through Turkey, Balkans, France and Germany,
>pacifying all countries encountered and reaching English Channel before
>reaching the point where they only have 5 days of supplies left and are
>manadatorily required to call the Pentagon for resupply. If they go to half
>rations, they could cross the Atlantic and take Quebec, which would get more
>of the Canadians to back us. This is because, Marines, being rather, shall
>we say, "literal minded", were told "The only way home is through Baghdad".
>
> 2) They are USUALLY told to stop when they run out of beach sand
>and let the Army land and pass through them. Still got sand under treads. If
>not careful they may get pissed when Baghdad falls and make a right turn
>when sent back to reload on ships in Kuwait, taking the entire Arabian land
>mass and settling the Palestinian and other geographic problems specific to
>that AoR.
> (Hope they don't send the second MEF north that they unloaded last week,
>since they already been afloat for six months and might be a bit more testy
>than the Marines already in Iraq..... they might just seize the Soviet Union
>for spite and then we'd have all them Russians on US welfare and rebuild
>payment plans)
>
> Maintaining amphibious off load capability generic to the Army, such as
>the landing craft, LSTs and barges and Tugboats recently handed over to DRMS
>for disposal since we have......
> a) Lots of Army Divisions on ships that require piers to unload....since
>we got allies all over the place that will let us transit their country, who
>needs barges,eh?
> b) Lots of C5's and C17's and soooo many allied airfields all over the
>place with long term usage agreements.
>
> Putting all the GEE WHIZ electronics only in the equipment state side,
>not the forward deployed stuff. Since we can rapidly load and transit an
>entire division and reach ANYPLACE in the world in 21 DAYS from the GO
>order. Then sit around for 4 weeks looking for dock space.(Hmmm...where did
>I put that landing craft thingy that the Marines used?)
>
>
>
> Any others?
>
>
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