From: Bobby Joe Pendleton (bjpendleton@charter.net)
Date: Sun Feb 15 2004 - 06:42:02 PST
yes without ROPS. I have a M4 MG pedestal in my A1, I don't know if it would
do much. I would think the bolts would pull through the floor board
BjP
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From: "chance wolf" <chance_wolf@shaw.ca>
To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 3:03 AM
Subject: Re: [MV] ROLL CAGES AND RISK FACTORS
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bobby Joe Pendleton" <bjpendleton@charter.net>
> To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
> Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 6:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [MV] ROLL CAGES AND RISK FACTORS
>
>
> > if you ever roll over a jeep, you better hope you are thrown clear
>
> Without ROPS, you mean?
>
> I had two M151's. The first was an original 1962 version with the
> swing-axles and only the single rubber bump-stop; the second (my current
> beast), an M151A2. The military came up with a weapons mount for the
M151A2
> (Special Forces - experimental) which mounted in the 151 just behind the
> seats like a conventional roll-bar, and had storage mounts for several
M-72
> LAW rockets in addition to the base for some adapter which would let you
> mount an M-60, M-2 or similar weapon on the crossbar. This 'roll bar'
> reached towards the sky about, oh, an inch or so from where the head of a
> 6ft. driver would normally be in the driving position, but it became
pretty
> obvious that it would still really hurt if you flipped because the
> windshield would not only cave way immediately - but would fold back on
you
> like your own private prison regardless of that extra 1" of headspace
> technically afforded you by the rollbar. Not fun. I had that thing in my
> 1962 and sold it off along with the Jeep.
>
> My A2 has no ROPS. I thought about putting one in (or the Canadian
version
> which is straight steel and not alloy), but I questioned the wisdom of
> throwing an additional 200-300-some-odd pounds of weight into a vehicle
> already described as "tippy" - and carried in the main well above the
> vehicle's nominal center-of-gravity. Yes, it would make rollovers more
> survivable - but as a corollary - would it not also make those rollovers
> somewhat more likely in the event of a "near miss"? (I'm no engineer so
> this is layman's math throughout.) Didn't seem too smart to me, though
I'll
> freely admit that the beasts ride a lot nicer with the extra weight in
them.
>
> For years I've thought of mounting an M4 MG pedestal in it both for fun
and
> as a sort of 'rollover protection' in its own right. The reasoning behind
> it is that the M4 represents the highest point on which the vehicle would
> rest if if flipped - although there are very obviously some significant
> problems with that theory if you consider the common rollover scenarios we
> Jeep owners are likely to face. I kept the idea rattling around in my
head
> more as a "better than nothing" proposition as opposed to anything
> approaching 'ideal', and will probably do exactly that when I manage to
get
> the critter all back together.
>
>
>
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