From: Jim Gilmore (jgilmore@ptd.net)
Date: Wed Feb 25 2004 - 20:08:27 PST
Steve wrote:
>"..........I just checked Rapco and Military-Markings and they both agree:
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>#33070 41-43 (Early WW11 Darker OD)
>#319 44-45 (late WW11 Lighter OD)..........."
Yes, however........... they are both incorrect.
There was ONLY one WW II Lusterless Olive Drab color used in production for jeeps and tactical vehicles .
There was NO "light" or "dark" nor "early" or "late" Olive Drab color in WW II vehicle production.
OD # 33070 is a post war color and is not the same as WW II Lusterless Olive Drab.
#319 in WW II was the same color as WW II Lusterless Olive Drab........HOWEVER...............
The # 319 that is for sale now is NOT the correct color for the actual WW II Lusterless Olive Drab # 319 green synthetic enamel paint.
The color is too light and not as dark green as the original Lusterless Olive Drab color.
I have actual cans of original WW II dated Lusterless Olive Drab # 319 green paint as do several other members of the "Lusterless Olive Drab Research Committee".
None of the paint offered by any of the current paint vendors is a correct match for this paint. This is why, when you find NOS parts that are in their original WW II OD paint they do not match the paint that you are using on your jeep.
This is also why when color WW II photos and film show vehicles they are all much darker and "greener" than the paint that is now available.
>Steve wrote,
>"...........So after all the replies I've recieved, (THANK YOU!) my question would be? Is my 52' GMC M135 suppose to be #23070 or #24087? Because they overlap and I've heard both answers..More lean to #24087 but why not #23070?
>
>#23070 Late WW11 to mid-50's
>#24087 Mid 50's to Post vietnam..............."
#23070 is a post war number for a semi-gloss OD.
Actually...........semi-gloss Olive Drab paint was a "end of war" or post war paint. The correct designation for this paint is Enamel, Olive Drab, Rust-inhibiting , Specification 3-181, amendment 3 , type V.
Semi-gloss OD was not authorized until August 1945 and did not actually get into supply channels until October or November 1945......some time after the war was over.
No WW II tactical vehicles were delivered painted in this paint.
#24087 was a post war semi-gloss Olive Drab paint.
The # 24087 paint offered in the Gillespie line was a close match to the original paint on my M-211 GMC and I would say this is a good paint to use.
This is also the most used paint color by restorers for early M-series vehicles.
Jim Gilmore
Member-- "Lusterless Olive Drab Research Committee"
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