From: The Elrod's (ElrodML@pghmail.com)
Date: Fri Sep 10 2004 - 14:48:13 PDT
All of the early M series vehicles till I believe 1955 were produced with
only on a single rear tail light and no turn signals. This was true of
commercial trucks also.
My M-211, a friends M-35 and another's M-211 that are in original condition
(read as not attacked by the civilian sector or zeroed by Uncle Sam) all
only have single tail lights and no wiring I the harness for the second.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: Military Vehicles Mailing List [mailto:mil-veh@mil-veh.org] On Behalf
Of m35products
Sent: 10 September, 2004 17:15
To: Military Vehicles Mailing List
Subject: Re: [MV] Movement to ban private ownership of MVs gains momentum
Does my M35 have stop, turn, and "break" lights? Of course it does. I would
not be able to register it in NY State if it did not. I have added
(manually-operated) back-up lights, and have all the gear ready to install,
to add a limit switch to the gear shift to make them operate automatically.
The state does not require them, but I added them for convenience and
safety. I have also added clearance/markers, and conspicuity tape, to make
the truck DOT compliant. It was not necessary, as it is registered as an
historical vehicle, but prudence dictates an occasional expense.
Are you aware of any M-series truck that is not equipped with stop, turn and
brake lights? I am not. You claim that "deuces" do not. (CCKW's do not.
M135/211/35 do.) I have never seen an M-series deuce, 5-ton, or ten-ton
that did not. Please explain your concerns more explicitly.
apb
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Farber" <farber@f-tech.net>
To: "m35products" <m35prod@optonline.net>
Cc: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: [MV] Movement to ban private ownership of MVs gains momentum
> m35products wrote:
>
> >David, old friend:
> >
> >I sometimes post off-topic messages, and sometimes respond to them.
> >
> >I always obey the licensing, insurance, traffic, and common sense rules,
and
> >always complain about thems who don't.
> >
> >Is there a place for me in your Utopia?
> >
> >apb
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: <DDoyle9570@aol.com>
> >To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
> >Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 2:29 PM
> >Subject: [MV] Movement to ban private ownership of MVs gains momentum
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>Over the years through this list I have made many friends, and have
> >>
> >>
> >learned many things about the private ownership of military vehicles. I
> >hope to remain in private contact with these friends over the coming
years.
> >
> >
> >>However, it seems that private ownership of military vehicles in the US
is
> >>
> >>
> >doomed.
> >
> >
> >>Many of these historic machines are larger and heavier than the average
> >>
> >>
> >passenger car, and an abundance of caution must be used in their
operation
> >to insure the safety of the general public. The public, and of course
their
> >elected officials, well remember the devastation caused by an unlawful
> >operation of a stolen M60 a few years ago, and only a few months ago the
> >tragic accident involving a pair of privately owned deuces garnered media
> >attention.
> >
> >
> >>All of this points to the importance of the MV collector's community
using
> >>
> >>
> >great prudence and caution when operating our vehicles.
> >
> >
> >>The first step in safe operation of these vehicles is reading AND
> >>
> >>
> >FOLLOWING THE INSTRUCTIONS on the dash placards, and in the comprehensive
> >operator's manuals. This is indeed what dooms the hobby. Based on the
> >recent postings on this list, there are many people in this hobby who are
> >either too stupid to understand plain, simple brief instructions, or have
a
> >"this doesn't apply to me" attitude. This will surely lead to senseless
> >accidents, and the tragic loss of life or injury, and in turn the banning
of
> >the "dangerous" vehicles from private ownership to protect the general
> >citizenry. The rest of us in the hobby will loose because of the
stupidity
> >or arrogance of the few.
> >
> >
> >>As evidence of this foretelling trend I point to the overwhelming number
> >>
> >>
> >of off-topic, political posts on this list. Who here is so stupid that
they
> >cannot understand the simple list rules, agreed to upon registering,
which
> >include NO OFF TOPIC DISCUSSIONS? Or, are these posters so arrogant as
to
> >think they are above these rules, or so arrogant as to think that the
rest
> >of us give a rat's a-- about who they intend to vote for, or why?
> >
> >
> >>There is no other explanation, it must be stupidity, or arrogance.
> >>
> >>So, when the drive with the same "who give's a darn about the rules"
> >>
> >>
> >attitude and whiz through a stop sign (That traffic rule doesn't apply to
> >ME, I'm special, and post and drive as I please) and into a school bus,
or
> >park their tank on the lawn of the state capitol because they can (just
like
> >they CAN post whatever suits their fancy to the list), we will all suffer
> >for it. Just like we all suffer through their political rantings.
> >
> >
> >>Yes, I could hit delete, but why should I have to? Why should I (and
> >>
> >>
> >countless others) have to suffer and work because an ignorant, arrogant
few
> >believe themselves to be above the rules?
> >
> >
> >>Kiss your MVs goodbye boys, the dopes among us will undo our hobby.
> >>
> >>Regards,
> >>David Doyle
> >>
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> >
> Yeah but does your MV have the stop/turn/break/backup lights? If its an
> ex military vehicle I would doubt it. Most MVs that are not specific
> types do (CUCVs etc). But dueces, humvess, jeeps etc mostly do not.
>
> You make stop at all the signs... but if the person behind you doesn't
> you're still at fault and are still gonna have your MV ownership
questioned.
>
> A light kit for an MV is easy to add and cost a few bucks.
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