From: kevin doriety (a61ford@hotmail.com)
Date: Tue Oct 05 2004 - 23:43:30 PDT
How about jet fuel? I understand the army uses JP-8 in everything now.
>From: grntrks@juno.com
>To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
>Subject: Re: [MV] Fuel Question Not the same anymore
>Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 22:50:41 -0500
>
>Wayne,
>I stand corrected. You are absolutely right. I completely forgot about
>the sulphur content. Big difference. I was told by a mechanic that the
>sulphur partially lubed the injection pump and the low sulphur in todays
>diesel fuel is one reason the expected life of an injection pump has
>deminished. He recommended using an addative to lube the pump at least
>every third fill up. I followed his advise and have not had a pump
>failure since.
>Frank
>
>On Tue, 05 Oct 2004 23:02:14 -0400 "Wayne Harris" <papercu@hotmail.com>
>writes:
> > From the net. http://dodgeram.org/tech/dsl/FAQ/diesel_fuel.htm
> >
> > Off road diesel and the diesel for the newer trucks and cars are not
> > the
> > same. The fuel at the pump maked "Highway Diesel #2" means that the
> > sulfur
> > level is approved for highway use and catalytic converters. Diesel
> > #2 is
> > heavier than #1. It also (usually) has lower Cetane and more heat
> > energy per
> > gallon than #1. #2 will tend to form wax crystals and gel at
> > temperatures
> > below 10 degrees F. Most winter fuels are a blend of #1 and #2, but
> > when it
> > gets really cold add fuel conditioner to avoid clogging the fuel
> > filter with
> > wax crystals
> >
> >
> >
> > Off road fuel still has the sulfur which affects wear, deposits, and
> >
> > particulate emissions. Diesel fuels contain varying amounts of
> > various
> > sulfur compounds which increase oil acidity. Legislation has reduced
> > the
> > sulfur content of highway fuel to 0.05% by weight. Off road fuel has
> > an
> > average of 0.29% sulfur by weight.
> >
> > fuels, DOT inspectors, and the perils of having dyed fuel in a tank.
> > Here
> > are the high points:
> >
> > Off road Diesel #2 and fuel oil # 2 differ only in the tax applied
> > at the
> > time of sale. Both are dyed red.
> >
> > Kerosene #1 and #2 are lighter than #1 and #2 diesel fuel. Most
> > kerosene is
> > dyed red.
> >
> > The old method of winter treatment using 1 gal of kerosene to 10 gal
> > of
> > diesel can get a driver into trouble unless it is dispensed as clear
> >
> > kerosene from a pump which charges road tax.
> >
> > Any red dye in a tank of fuel is detectable by the sampler the DOT
> > uses,
> > even when diluted by a large quantity of undyed fuel. As little as
> > 1/2 qt of
> > ATF in a tank of fuel will be detected as untaxed fuel and can cause
> > a major
> > headache for the driver.
> >
> > In VA, fines for using dyed fuel (untaxed) begin at $1000and go up
> > rapidly
> > from there. Road checks for untaxed fuel began in northern VA, and
> > have now
> > spread throughout the state.
> >
> > Q: What is the difference between #1 Diesel and K1 Kerosene?
> > K1 kerosene is a low-sulfur kerosene that is made for use in space
> > heaters,
> > lamps, etc. - and not for use in vehicles or generators. It is also
> > not
> > taxed so would be illegal to use in "on-road" vehicles.
> >
> > Lower lubricity is likely as the viscosity decreases. While this may
> > not
> > cause catastrophic instant damage, it could cause long-term wear of
> > pumps,
> > etc. Four semi-annual surveys for years 1990-1992 showed national
> > averages
> > as such for viscosity (represented in milliPascal-seconds (mPa .
> > s)(=centipoise) cSt)
> >
> > Diesel # 1 1.33
> > Diesel # 2 3.20
> > Kerosene 1.63
> > Both Kerosene and Diesel # 1 are less dense than Diesel # 2 and will
> > thus
> > have a slight reduction (~3%) in BTU per gallon. This would likely
> > be
> > reflected in lower fuel economy.
> >
> > >From: grntrks@juno.com
> > >To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
> > >Subject: Re: [MV] Fuel Question
> > >Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 21:05:18 -0500
> > >
> > >Hi Ed,
> > >The red dye in the fuel only does 2 things--- identifies untaxed
> > fuel (
> > >road use taxes ) and leaves a detectable marker in the exhaust
> > residue in
> > >the exhaust pipes. This dye, when found in a " highway " vehicle
> > is
> > >considered tangible evidence that the vehicle owner has attempted
> > to
> > >avoid paying the " highway tax " by consuming untaxed fuel
> > illegally. I
> > >don't remember how high the fine is, but it's high enough that I
> > figured
> > >it wasn't worth getting caught. (something on the order of
> > $2,000.00 -
> > >first offense. - might be higher, just don't remember. ) In Texas
> > during
> > >the annual vehicle inspection, while checking exhaust emissions
> > the
> > >vehicle is also checked for dye traces. If found, you are guilty
> > PERIOD.
> > >
> > >
> > >Frank Cox ' Nam 1966
> > >MVPA 14530
> > >'45 GMC 353 DUKW
> > >'66 M35A2 w/w
> > >"On-A-Mission" hot shot trucking
> > >
> > >
> > >On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 21:42:11 -0400 "Ed Kirkley"
> > <mojoedd@bellsouth.net>
> > >writes:
> > > > Hi Gang,
> > > >
> > > > A friend has a supply of "off road use only" fuel for his farm
> > > > tractors and
> > > > such. It is dyed red in color but seems to be standard diesel.
> > Can
> > > > this be
> > > > used in M-1009s, Humvees, Duce and half's, etc.? Can using
> > this
> > > > fuel in any
> > > > way harm your vehicles???? With the cost of fuel being what it
> > is
> > > > this
> > > > seems like a valid question and I told him that I had just the
> > place
> > > > to find
> > > > out.........What say you esteemed listers????
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Ed
> > > >
> >
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>Frank Cox ' Nam 1966
>MVPA 14530
>'45 GMC 353 DUKW
>'66 M35A2 w/w
>"On-A-Mission" hot shot trucking
>
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