From: Rick v100 (rickv100@yahoo.com)
Date: Thu May 12 2005 - 03:21:59 PDT
Steve,
Sorry, but I am not going to let the current or any
administration have technology on the grounds that
"they will be good and not abuse it".
Its been consistent through out history that as soon
as a government gets its hand on technology they abuse
it.
Want to trust North Korea or Iran or any of a few
others with a nuclear device on the hopes that they
will not abuse the technology?
Care to trust the FBI with access to a major database.
Seems like Hoover would have loved a database like
this to keep track of his enemies.
I know that you will come back pointing out how we are
all wrong but I still will disagree with you.
Rick
--- Stephen Grammont <islander@midmaine.com> wrote:
>
> > Unfortunately Steve,
> > with absolutely no flame intended, you've
> completely
> > missed my point(s)
>
> Nope, I got it. I just don't see what the point is
> of getting so
> worked up about this. It's inevitable. Been
> happening since the
> beginning of Human civilization. Those in power
> wish to exercise more
> power. Sometimes for the greater good, too often
> for the greater bad.
> There is no way to stop it. Plus, it isn't all bad.
> When used
> appropriately a lot of benefit can be had. It's
> fine to recognize the
> bad in a system like this, but it is also small
> minded to not see any
> good in it.
>
> BTW, many driver's licenses already have magnetic
> strips on them with
> critical information on it, all of them have had
> pictures for decades.
>
> > Just as a theoretical example.. you're a reporter
> > assigned to cover a gay film fest... you pay with
> your
> > debit card, they scan your new digital ID to
> confirm
> > your identity.. and bingo
> > a permanent record of you visiting a gay
> > event..electronically accessible by any
> investigating
> > authority....who may draw whatever conclusions
> they
> > want..
>
> They can already do this. They can also monitor
> your phone, email, and
> even activities within your house if they should so
> choose. The point
> is that the authorities shouldn't be able to unless
> there is a valid
> reason for it. Or put another way, the technology
> isn't the problem it
> is the abuse of the technology that is.
>
> > Im definitely not "paranoid" as you allude,
>
> I was just pointing out that the opposite of naive
> is paranoid.
> Nothing more.
>
> > Ask someone high up in the military structure
> about
> > spy technology ability to read computers through
> > standard wiring, and/or why for example computers
> with
> > sensitive material must be positioned at least a
> yard
> > away from walls...but this is slightly off topic..
>
> I don't have to ask someone high up... I heard a
> nice little
> presentation about this stuff a few weeks ago in
> relation to finding
> bad guys in Iraq. X-Ray vision is a (crude) reality
> BTW. Again...
> technology knows nothing about right and wrong...
> only the users do.
>
> >
> > The point is..Im against it for civil liberty
> reasons,
> > and I think my reasons are fully justified..
>
> I'm against the misuse. Being against the
> technology is pointless
> because there is no way to stop it. Plus, as
> stated, there are some
> benefits that come with it.
>
> > And Yes complaining to your senator will have
> little
> > effect, but a million mosquito bites can kill an
> > elephant, and in any case "little" effect is
> better
> > than keeping silent which has "zero" effect.
>
> Well, that's what I said when I voted against the
> current
> administration (twice). Funny to see the same
> people that were going
> on and on and on about Klinton taking away our civil
> liberties rush to
> the booths to vote in the people that are ramming
> this stuff through.
> Why aren't they so vocal now? Feeling betrayed,
> guilty, foolish, or
> what? Guess it will be the Dem's fault in their
> eyes, even though
> nearly all the Dems voted against this and all the
> Repubs for. Not
> that it matters, each is as bad as the other when
> things are all boiled
> down.
>
> Steve
>
>
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