From: Rick v100 (rickv100@yahoo.com)
Date: Mon Sep 19 2005 - 07:20:03 PDT
Tom,
Most NJ drivers do not know how to handle a circle and
it caused a large quantity of accidents. A quick check
of Google shows numerous articles on this fact.
I would not recommend the old Airport Circle in
Pennsauken to a new driver. Thankfully it was removed
a while ago.
Route 70 in South Jersey had like 5 in a 15 mile
stretch so it was always an adventure.
Circles worked for slower times but the growth in NJ
and driver tendencies caused there demise.
Rick
--- Thomas M McHugh <tmmchugh@msn.com> wrote:
> I grew up with traffic circles in NJ. They are
> built extra wide to allow
> all size vehicles, including Tractor Trailers to
> negotiate them. All
> traffic can flow easy, merge easy & exit easy,
> unless the driver just tries
> to drive straight through the flow of traffic.
>
> Enter on the outside lane & merge towards the inside
> if you are going around
> more than half way. Everyone can see the speed of
> a gradually merging
> vehicle & either move across in front or merge
> behind the entering vehicles.
>
> It does not need to be a circle for an idiot to
> cause traffic problems.
>
> The main reason circles are being eliminated is the
> quantity of vehicles
> trying to cross paths. We have too many cars & the
> caution requires slower
> driving. That automatically causes back-up at a
> circle.
>
> --------
> MVPA VOTE NOW:
> SVEN JOHNSON - GREG WOLANIN -
> AL NICHOLSON - JIM DIAS
>
> HELP ELECT DIRECTORS THAT WILL WORK FOR ALL MEMBERS,
> NOT JUST THEMSELVES OR OLD FASHIONED STUBBORNNESS.
>
>
> Tom McHugh, NJ
> 1952 M38A1
> M-416 Trailer
> MVPA, MTA
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nigel Hay MILWEB" <nigel@milweb.net>
> To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List"
> <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 9:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [MV] [BULK] Re: [MV] WWII DC3
>
>
> > Are traffic circles a similar phenomenon as crop
> circles? I think we
> > should
> > be told
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Military Vehicles Mailing List
> [mailto:mil-veh@mil-veh.org]On
> > Behalf Of Mark B. Anderson
> > Sent: 19 September 2005 15:06
> > To: Military Vehicles Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [MV] [BULK] Re: [MV] WWII DC3
> >
> >
> > we have 2 traffic circles within 300 miles of me
> and only heard of them
> > never seen one...someone please explain how these
> work and do they give
> > enough room for an M35 to go around and around in
> them???
> >
> > question I really need to know.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > mark
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Sonny Heath" <sonny@defuniak.com>
> > To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List"
> <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
> > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 7:56 AM
> > Subject: Re: [MV] [BULK] Re: [MV] WWII DC3
> >
> >
> >> Traffic circles seem to work fine, in European
> countries at least. I
> >> noticed that traffic seems to be able to get in
> and out totally safe if
> >> the vehicle "In the circle" has the right of way.
> >>
> >> Sonny
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Rick v100" <rickv100@yahoo.com>
> >> To: "Sonny Heath" <sonny@defuniak.com>; "Military
> Vehicles Mailing List"
> >> <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
> >> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 7:44 AM
> >> Subject: [BULK] Re: [MV] WWII DC3
> >>
> >>
> >>> If you really want something confusing try
> having a
> >>> circle. Pretty much full speed into the circle
> free
> >>> for all.
> >>>
> >>> NJ started taking the cricles out due to the
> number of
> >>> accidents and putting in 4 way intersections.
> >>>
> >>> Rick
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --- Sonny Heath <sonny@defuniak.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Peoples driving habits beats anything I've ever
> >>>> seen, at least where I go.
> >>>> NOBODY seems to know that when you come upon a
> multi
> >>>> lane roadway and make a
> >>>> turn that the law requires you to make your
> turn and
> >>>> remain in the closest
> >>>> lane to where you were UNTIL you can clearly
> check
> >>>> the traffic and THEN you
> >>>> may make your signal and safely move over one
> lane
> >>>> at a time until you get
> >>>> to where you want to be in traffic. That and
> the
> >>>> fact that NOBODY seems to
> >>>> know what a STOP sign means,
> >>>>
> >>>> Sonny
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: "dgrev" <dgrev@iinet.net.au>
> >>>> To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List"
> >>>> <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
> >>>> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 10:11 PM
> >>>> Subject: Re: [MV] WWII DC3
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> > Jeff
> >>>> >
> >>>> >> The planes I rent have all the latest GPS,
> >>>> weather nav
> >>>> >> garbage, personally I have no use for it. I
> like
> >>>> to
> >>>> >> follow the landscape, roads, terrain, turn
> on the
> >>>> NDB
> >>>> >> maybe, even try to avoid using VOR's but in
> a
> >>>> pinch I
> >>>> >> will, Kinda scary flying commercial these
> days
> >>>> knowing
> >>>> >> some young buck up there has his training
> from
> >>>> playing
> >>>> >> nintendo!!
> >>>> >
> >>>> > I take it that in the US you have the same
> >>>> abreviations
> >>>> > as we do (our system is based on yours) so
> when
> >>>> all else
> >>>> > fails it's back to the basics:
> >>>> >
> >>>> > VFR = Visually Follow Roads.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > IFR = I Follow Roads.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > It certainly does make you wonder how the
> world
> >>>> will
> >>>> > survive if there is ever an EMP pulse.
> >>>> > Bang will go all the ground based nav aids. I
> have
> >>>> no idea if the
> >>>> > satellites are hardened?
> >>>> >
> >>>> > The way things are these days, even your
> fridge
> >>>> and stove have electronics
> >>>> > and will be fried!
> >>>> > Same with Solargisers too.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Of late, there appears to be a lot of
> ancillary
> >>>> military
> >>>> > equipment (ie, base vehicles, computers etc)
> that
> >>>> are
> >>>> > civilian spec. They won't be much good
> either.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > > Kinda scary flying commercial these days
> knowing
> >>>> > > some young buck up there has his training
> from
> >>>> playing
> >>>> > > nintendo!!
> >>>> >
> >>>> > There has been some stuff on TV of late that
> the
> >>>> Europeans
> >>>> > have noticed that the Nintendo generation
> make for
> >>>> lousy
> >>>> > drivers, not better ones. You don't get 3
> lives in
> >>>> the real
> >>>> > world. Thus they are having to start driver
> >>>> training in schools
> >>>> > with lots of crash pics to get it through to
> the
> >>>> kids that cars
> >>>> > are not "virtual" devices and do obey
> neutonian
> >>>> laws of motion.
> >>>> > Not that anyone is taught history
> anymore........
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Regards
> >>>> > Doug
> >>>> >
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