From: Jeff Hain-Matson (flmv@flmv.net)
Date: Mon Sep 19 2005 - 07:45:23 PDT
-- JEFF HAIN-MATSON FRONT LINE MILITARY VEHICLES WEB SITE: http://www.flmv.net/ WRIGHTSVILLE PA 717-252-4489 VOICE 717-252-4499 FAX flmv@flmv.net E-MAIL MVPA #1833 IMPS #1726 MVT #9362 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick v100" <rickv100@yahoo.com> To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [MV] Traffic Circles - MVPA VOTE NOW> Tom, > > Most NJ drivers do not know how to handle a circle and > it caused a large quantity of accidents.
Poster childern for better driving tests!!!!!!!
A quick check > of Google shows numerous articles on this fact. > > I would not recommend the old Airport Circle in > Pennsauken to a new driver. Thankfully it was removed > a while ago. > > Route 70 in South Jersey had like 5 in a 15 mile > stretch so it was always an adventure. > > Circles worked for slower times but the growth in NJ > and driver tendencies caused there demise. > > Rick > > > --- Thomas M McHugh <tmmchugh@msn.com> wrote: > >> I grew up with traffic circles in NJ. They are >> built extra wide to allow >> all size vehicles, including Tractor Trailers to >> negotiate them. All >> traffic can flow easy, merge easy & exit easy, >> unless the driver just tries >> to drive straight through the flow of traffic. >> >> Enter on the outside lane & merge towards the inside >> if you are going around >> more than half way. Everyone can see the speed of >> a gradually merging >> vehicle & either move across in front or merge >> behind the entering vehicles. >> >> It does not need to be a circle for an idiot to >> cause traffic problems. >> >> The main reason circles are being eliminated is the >> quantity of vehicles >> trying to cross paths. We have too many cars & the >> caution requires slower >> driving. That automatically causes back-up at a >> circle. >> >> -------- >> MVPA VOTE NOW: >> SVEN JOHNSON - GREG WOLANIN - >> AL NICHOLSON - JIM DIAS >> >> HELP ELECT DIRECTORS THAT WILL WORK FOR ALL MEMBERS, >> NOT JUST THEMSELVES OR OLD FASHIONED STUBBORNNESS. >> >> >> Tom McHugh, NJ >> 1952 M38A1 >> M-416 Trailer >> MVPA, MTA >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Nigel Hay MILWEB" <nigel@milweb.net> >> To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" >> <mil-veh@mil-veh.org> >> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 9:13 AM >> Subject: Re: [MV] [BULK] Re: [MV] WWII DC3 >> >> >> > Are traffic circles a similar phenomenon as crop >> circles? I think we >> > should >> > be told >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Military Vehicles Mailing List >> [mailto:mil-veh@mil-veh.org]On >> > Behalf Of Mark B. Anderson >> > Sent: 19 September 2005 15:06 >> > To: Military Vehicles Mailing List >> > Subject: Re: [MV] [BULK] Re: [MV] WWII DC3 >> > >> > >> > we have 2 traffic circles within 300 miles of me >> and only heard of them >> > never seen one...someone please explain how these >> work and do they give >> > enough room for an M35 to go around and around in >> them??? >> > >> > question I really need to know. >> > >> > Regards, >> > >> > mark >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Sonny Heath" <sonny@defuniak.com> >> > To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" >> <mil-veh@mil-veh.org> >> > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 7:56 AM >> > Subject: Re: [MV] [BULK] Re: [MV] WWII DC3 >> > >> > >> >> Traffic circles seem to work fine, in European >> countries at least. I >> >> noticed that traffic seems to be able to get in >> and out totally safe if >> >> the vehicle "In the circle" has the right of way. >> >> >> >> Sonny >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Rick v100" <rickv100@yahoo.com> >> >> To: "Sonny Heath" <sonny@defuniak.com>; "Military >> Vehicles Mailing List" >> >> <mil-veh@mil-veh.org> >> >> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 7:44 AM >> >> Subject: [BULK] Re: [MV] WWII DC3 >> >> >> >> >> >>> If you really want something confusing try >> having a >> >>> circle. Pretty much full speed into the circle >> free >> >>> for all. >> >>> >> >>> NJ started taking the cricles out due to the >> number of >> >>> accidents and putting in 4 way intersections. >> >>> >> >>> Rick >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> --- Sonny Heath <sonny@defuniak.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> Peoples driving habits beats anything I've ever >> >>>> seen, at least where I go. >> >>>> NOBODY seems to know that when you come upon a >> multi >> >>>> lane roadway and make a >> >>>> turn that the law requires you to make your >> turn and >> >>>> remain in the closest >> >>>> lane to where you were UNTIL you can clearly >> check >> >>>> the traffic and THEN you >> >>>> may make your signal and safely move over one >> lane >> >>>> at a time until you get >> >>>> to where you want to be in traffic. That and >> the >> >>>> fact that NOBODY seems to >> >>>> know what a STOP sign means, >> >>>> >> >>>> Sonny >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>>> From: "dgrev" <dgrev@iinet.net.au> >> >>>> To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" >> >>>> <mil-veh@mil-veh.org> >> >>>> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 10:11 PM >> >>>> Subject: Re: [MV] WWII DC3 >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> > Jeff >> >>>> > >> >>>> >> The planes I rent have all the latest GPS, >> >>>> weather nav >> >>>> >> garbage, personally I have no use for it. I >> like >> >>>> to >> >>>> >> follow the landscape, roads, terrain, turn >> on the >> >>>> NDB >> >>>> >> maybe, even try to avoid using VOR's but in >> a >> >>>> pinch I >> >>>> >> will, Kinda scary flying commercial these >> days >> >>>> knowing >> >>>> >> some young buck up there has his training >> from >> >>>> playing >> >>>> >> nintendo!! >> >>>> > >> >>>> > I take it that in the US you have the same >> >>>> abreviations >> >>>> > as we do (our system is based on yours) so >> when >> >>>> all else >> >>>> > fails it's back to the basics: >> >>>> > >> >>>> > VFR = Visually Follow Roads. >> >>>> > >> >>>> > IFR = I Follow Roads. >> >>>> > >> >>>> > It certainly does make you wonder how the >> world >> >>>> will >> >>>> > survive if there is ever an EMP pulse. >> >>>> > Bang will go all the ground based nav aids. I >> have >> >>>> no idea if the >> >>>> > satellites are hardened? >> >>>> > >> >>>> > The way things are these days, even your >> fridge >> >>>> and stove have electronics >> >>>> > and will be fried! >> >>>> > Same with Solargisers too. >> >>>> > >> >>>> > Of late, there appears to be a lot of >> ancillary >> >>>> military >> >>>> > equipment (ie, base vehicles, computers etc) >> that >> >>>> are >> >>>> > civilian spec. They won't be much good >> either. >> >>>> > >> >>>> > > Kinda scary flying commercial these days >> knowing >> >>>> > > some young buck up there has his training >> from >> >>>> playing >> >>>> > > nintendo!! >> >>>> > >> >>>> > There has been some stuff on TV of late that >> the >> >>>> Europeans >> >>>> > have noticed that the Nintendo generation >> make for >> >>>> lousy >> >>>> > drivers, not better ones. You don't get 3 >> lives in >> >>>> the real >> >>>> > world. Thus they are having to start driver >> >>>> training in schools >> >>>> > with lots of crash pics to get it through to >> the >> >>>> kids that cars >> >>>> > are not "virtual" devices and do obey >> neutonian >> >>>> laws of motion. >> >>>> > Not that anyone is taught history >> anymore........ >> >>>> > >> >>>> > Regards >> >>>> > Doug >> >>>> > >> >>>> > ===Mil-Veh is a member-supported mailing >> list=== >> >>>> > To unsubscribe, send e-mail to: >> >>>> <mil-veh-off@mil-veh.org> >> >>>> > To switch to the DIGEST mode, send e-mail to >> >>>> <mil-veh-digest@mil-veh.org> >> >>>> > To reach a human, contact <ack@mil-veh.org> >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > -- >> >>>> > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >> >>>> > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> >>>> > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: >> 267.10.21/96 - >> >>>> Release Date: 9/10/2005 >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> ===Mil-Veh is a member-supported mailing >> list=== >> >>>> To unsubscribe, send e-mail to: >> >>>> <mil-veh-off@mil-veh.org> >> >>>> To switch to the DIGEST mode, send e-mail to >> >>>> <mil-veh-digest@mil-veh.org> >> >>>> To reach a human, contact <ack@mil-veh.org> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >> >>> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> >>> Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.21/96 >> - Release Date: >> >>> 9/10/2005 >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> ===Mil-Veh is a member-supported mailing list=== >> >> To unsubscribe, send e-mail to: >> <mil-veh-off@mil-veh.org> >> >> To switch to the DIGEST mode, send e-mail to >> <mil-veh-digest@mil-veh.org> >> >> To reach a human, contact <ack@mil-veh.org> >> > >> > >> > ===Mil-Veh is a member-supported mailing list=== >> > To unsubscribe, send e-mail to: >> <mil-veh-off@mil-veh.org> >> > To switch to the DIGEST mode, send e-mail to >> <mil-veh-digest@mil-veh.org> >> > To reach a human, contact <ack@mil-veh.org> >> > >> > >> > ===Mil-Veh is a member-supported mailing list=== >> > To unsubscribe, send e-mail to: >> <mil-veh-off@mil-veh.org> >> > To switch to the DIGEST mode, send e-mail to >> <mil-veh-digest@mil-veh.org> >> > To reach a human, contact <ack@mil-veh.org> >> > >> >> ===Mil-Veh is a member-supported mailing list=== >> To unsubscribe, send e-mail to: >> <mil-veh-off@mil-veh.org> >> To switch to the DIGEST mode, send e-mail to >> <mil-veh-digest@mil-veh.org> >> To reach a human, contact <ack@mil-veh.org> >> > > > ===Mil-Veh is a member-supported mailing list=== > To unsubscribe, send e-mail to: <mil-veh-off@mil-veh.org> > To switch to the DIGEST mode, send e-mail to <mil-veh-digest@mil-veh.org> > To reach a human, contact <ack@mil-veh.org> > >
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