From: Sonny Heath (sonny@defuniak.com)
Date: Mon Sep 19 2005 - 10:21:53 PDT
Maybe you Jersey people should recommend the "passover" to your politicians,
they would probably find all kinds of ways to line their pockets on a
project like that and could always say it is in the interest of public
safety.
Sonny
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick v100" <rickv100@yahoo.com>
To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 9:20 AM
Subject: Re: [MV] Traffic Circles - MVPA VOTE NOW
> Tom,
>
> Most NJ drivers do not know how to handle a circle and
> it caused a large quantity of accidents. A quick check
> of Google shows numerous articles on this fact.
>
> I would not recommend the old Airport Circle in
> Pennsauken to a new driver. Thankfully it was removed
> a while ago.
>
> Route 70 in South Jersey had like 5 in a 15 mile
> stretch so it was always an adventure.
>
> Circles worked for slower times but the growth in NJ
> and driver tendencies caused there demise.
>
> Rick
>
>
> --- Thomas M McHugh <tmmchugh@msn.com> wrote:
>
>> I grew up with traffic circles in NJ. They are
>> built extra wide to allow
>> all size vehicles, including Tractor Trailers to
>> negotiate them. All
>> traffic can flow easy, merge easy & exit easy,
>> unless the driver just tries
>> to drive straight through the flow of traffic.
>>
>> Enter on the outside lane & merge towards the inside
>> if you are going around
>> more than half way. Everyone can see the speed of
>> a gradually merging
>> vehicle & either move across in front or merge
>> behind the entering vehicles.
>>
>> It does not need to be a circle for an idiot to
>> cause traffic problems.
>>
>> The main reason circles are being eliminated is the
>> quantity of vehicles
>> trying to cross paths. We have too many cars & the
>> caution requires slower
>> driving. That automatically causes back-up at a
>> circle.
>>
>> --------
>> MVPA VOTE NOW:
>> SVEN JOHNSON - GREG WOLANIN -
>> AL NICHOLSON - JIM DIAS
>>
>> HELP ELECT DIRECTORS THAT WILL WORK FOR ALL MEMBERS,
>> NOT JUST THEMSELVES OR OLD FASHIONED STUBBORNNESS.
>>
>>
>> Tom McHugh, NJ
>> 1952 M38A1
>> M-416 Trailer
>> MVPA, MTA
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Nigel Hay MILWEB" <nigel@milweb.net>
>> To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List"
>> <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
>> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 9:13 AM
>> Subject: Re: [MV] [BULK] Re: [MV] WWII DC3
>>
>>
>> > Are traffic circles a similar phenomenon as crop
>> circles? I think we
>> > should
>> > be told
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Military Vehicles Mailing List
>> [mailto:mil-veh@mil-veh.org]On
>> > Behalf Of Mark B. Anderson
>> > Sent: 19 September 2005 15:06
>> > To: Military Vehicles Mailing List
>> > Subject: Re: [MV] [BULK] Re: [MV] WWII DC3
>> >
>> >
>> > we have 2 traffic circles within 300 miles of me
>> and only heard of them
>> > never seen one...someone please explain how these
>> work and do they give
>> > enough room for an M35 to go around and around in
>> them???
>> >
>> > question I really need to know.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > mark
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Sonny Heath" <sonny@defuniak.com>
>> > To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List"
>> <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
>> > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 7:56 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [MV] [BULK] Re: [MV] WWII DC3
>> >
>> >
>> >> Traffic circles seem to work fine, in European
>> countries at least. I
>> >> noticed that traffic seems to be able to get in
>> and out totally safe if
>> >> the vehicle "In the circle" has the right of way.
>> >>
>> >> Sonny
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Rick v100" <rickv100@yahoo.com>
>> >> To: "Sonny Heath" <sonny@defuniak.com>; "Military
>> Vehicles Mailing List"
>> >> <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
>> >> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 7:44 AM
>> >> Subject: [BULK] Re: [MV] WWII DC3
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> If you really want something confusing try
>> having a
>> >>> circle. Pretty much full speed into the circle
>> free
>> >>> for all.
>> >>>
>> >>> NJ started taking the cricles out due to the
>> number of
>> >>> accidents and putting in 4 way intersections.
>> >>>
>> >>> Rick
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --- Sonny Heath <sonny@defuniak.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Peoples driving habits beats anything I've ever
>> >>>> seen, at least where I go.
>> >>>> NOBODY seems to know that when you come upon a
>> multi
>> >>>> lane roadway and make a
>> >>>> turn that the law requires you to make your
>> turn and
>> >>>> remain in the closest
>> >>>> lane to where you were UNTIL you can clearly
>> check
>> >>>> the traffic and THEN you
>> >>>> may make your signal and safely move over one
>> lane
>> >>>> at a time until you get
>> >>>> to where you want to be in traffic. That and
>> the
>> >>>> fact that NOBODY seems to
>> >>>> know what a STOP sign means,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Sonny
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>>> From: "dgrev" <dgrev@iinet.net.au>
>> >>>> To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List"
>> >>>> <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
>> >>>> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 10:11 PM
>> >>>> Subject: Re: [MV] WWII DC3
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> > Jeff
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >> The planes I rent have all the latest GPS,
>> >>>> weather nav
>> >>>> >> garbage, personally I have no use for it. I
>> like
>> >>>> to
>> >>>> >> follow the landscape, roads, terrain, turn
>> on the
>> >>>> NDB
>> >>>> >> maybe, even try to avoid using VOR's but in
>> a
>> >>>> pinch I
>> >>>> >> will, Kinda scary flying commercial these
>> days
>> >>>> knowing
>> >>>> >> some young buck up there has his training
>> from
>> >>>> playing
>> >>>> >> nintendo!!
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > I take it that in the US you have the same
>> >>>> abreviations
>> >>>> > as we do (our system is based on yours) so
>> when
>> >>>> all else
>> >>>> > fails it's back to the basics:
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > VFR = Visually Follow Roads.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > IFR = I Follow Roads.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > It certainly does make you wonder how the
>> world
>> >>>> will
>> >>>> > survive if there is ever an EMP pulse.
>> >>>> > Bang will go all the ground based nav aids. I
>> have
>> >>>> no idea if the
>> >>>> > satellites are hardened?
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > The way things are these days, even your
>> fridge
>> >>>> and stove have electronics
>> >>>> > and will be fried!
>> >>>> > Same with Solargisers too.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > Of late, there appears to be a lot of
>> ancillary
>> >>>> military
>> >>>> > equipment (ie, base vehicles, computers etc)
>> that
>> >>>> are
>> >>>> > civilian spec. They won't be much good
>> either.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > > Kinda scary flying commercial these days
>> knowing
>> >>>> > > some young buck up there has his training
>> from
>> >>>> playing
>> >>>> > > nintendo!!
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > There has been some stuff on TV of late that
>> the
>> >>>> Europeans
>> >>>> > have noticed that the Nintendo generation
>> make for
>> >>>> lousy
>> >>>> > drivers, not better ones. You don't get 3
>> lives in
>> >>>> the real
>> >>>> > world. Thus they are having to start driver
>> >>>> training in schools
>> >>>> > with lots of crash pics to get it through to
>> the
>> >>>> kids that cars
>> >>>> > are not "virtual" devices and do obey
>> neutonian
>> >>>> laws of motion.
>> >>>> > Not that anyone is taught history
>> anymore........
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > Regards
>> >>>> > Doug
>> >>>> >
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