From: Rick v100 (rickv100@yahoo.com)
Date: Mon Sep 19 2005 - 10:26:39 PDT
we are replacing all the circles with overpasses or
the other great NJ contribution to highway
engineering, the jug handle.
Rick
--- Sonny Heath <sonny@defuniak.com> wrote:
> Maybe you Jersey people should recommend the
> "passover" to your politicians,
> they would probably find all kinds of ways to line
> their pockets on a
> project like that and could always say it is in the
> interest of public
> safety.
>
> Sonny
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rick v100" <rickv100@yahoo.com>
> To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List"
> <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 9:20 AM
> Subject: Re: [MV] Traffic Circles - MVPA VOTE NOW
>
>
> > Tom,
> >
> > Most NJ drivers do not know how to handle a circle
> and
> > it caused a large quantity of accidents. A quick
> check
> > of Google shows numerous articles on this fact.
> >
> > I would not recommend the old Airport Circle in
> > Pennsauken to a new driver. Thankfully it was
> removed
> > a while ago.
> >
> > Route 70 in South Jersey had like 5 in a 15 mile
> > stretch so it was always an adventure.
> >
> > Circles worked for slower times but the growth in
> NJ
> > and driver tendencies caused there demise.
> >
> > Rick
> >
> >
> > --- Thomas M McHugh <tmmchugh@msn.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I grew up with traffic circles in NJ. They are
> >> built extra wide to allow
> >> all size vehicles, including Tractor Trailers to
> >> negotiate them. All
> >> traffic can flow easy, merge easy & exit easy,
> >> unless the driver just tries
> >> to drive straight through the flow of traffic.
> >>
> >> Enter on the outside lane & merge towards the
> inside
> >> if you are going around
> >> more than half way. Everyone can see the speed
> of
> >> a gradually merging
> >> vehicle & either move across in front or merge
> >> behind the entering vehicles.
> >>
> >> It does not need to be a circle for an idiot to
> >> cause traffic problems.
> >>
> >> The main reason circles are being eliminated is
> the
> >> quantity of vehicles
> >> trying to cross paths. We have too many cars &
> the
> >> caution requires slower
> >> driving. That automatically causes back-up at a
> >> circle.
> >>
> >> --------
> >> MVPA VOTE NOW:
> >> SVEN JOHNSON - GREG WOLANIN -
> >> AL NICHOLSON - JIM DIAS
> >>
> >> HELP ELECT DIRECTORS THAT WILL WORK FOR ALL
> MEMBERS,
> >> NOT JUST THEMSELVES OR OLD FASHIONED
> STUBBORNNESS.
> >>
> >>
> >> Tom McHugh, NJ
> >> 1952 M38A1
> >> M-416 Trailer
> >> MVPA, MTA
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Nigel Hay MILWEB" <nigel@milweb.net>
> >> To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List"
> >> <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
> >> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 9:13 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [MV] [BULK] Re: [MV] WWII DC3
> >>
> >>
> >> > Are traffic circles a similar phenomenon as
> crop
> >> circles? I think we
> >> > should
> >> > be told
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: Military Vehicles Mailing List
> >> [mailto:mil-veh@mil-veh.org]On
> >> > Behalf Of Mark B. Anderson
> >> > Sent: 19 September 2005 15:06
> >> > To: Military Vehicles Mailing List
> >> > Subject: Re: [MV] [BULK] Re: [MV] WWII DC3
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > we have 2 traffic circles within 300 miles of
> me
> >> and only heard of them
> >> > never seen one...someone please explain how
> these
> >> work and do they give
> >> > enough room for an M35 to go around and around
> in
> >> them???
> >> >
> >> > question I really need to know.
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> >
> >> > mark
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "Sonny Heath" <sonny@defuniak.com>
> >> > To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List"
> >> <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
> >> > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 7:56 AM
> >> > Subject: Re: [MV] [BULK] Re: [MV] WWII DC3
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Traffic circles seem to work fine, in European
> >> countries at least. I
> >> >> noticed that traffic seems to be able to get
> in
> >> and out totally safe if
> >> >> the vehicle "In the circle" has the right of
> way.
> >> >>
> >> >> Sonny
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> From: "Rick v100" <rickv100@yahoo.com>
> >> >> To: "Sonny Heath" <sonny@defuniak.com>;
> "Military
> >> Vehicles Mailing List"
> >> >> <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
> >> >> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 7:44 AM
> >> >> Subject: [BULK] Re: [MV] WWII DC3
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>> If you really want something confusing try
> >> having a
> >> >>> circle. Pretty much full speed into the
> circle
> >> free
> >> >>> for all.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> NJ started taking the cricles out due to the
> >> number of
> >> >>> accidents and putting in 4 way intersections.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Rick
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> --- Sonny Heath <sonny@defuniak.com> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> Peoples driving habits beats anything I've
> ever
> >> >>>> seen, at least where I go.
> >> >>>> NOBODY seems to know that when you come upon
> a
> >> multi
> >> >>>> lane roadway and make a
> >> >>>> turn that the law requires you to make your
> >> turn and
> >> >>>> remain in the closest
> >> >>>> lane to where you were UNTIL you can clearly
> >> check
> >> >>>> the traffic and THEN you
> >> >>>> may make your signal and safely move over
> one
> >> lane
> >> >>>> at a time until you get
> >> >>>> to where you want to be in traffic. That
> and
> >> the
> >> >>>> fact that NOBODY seems to
> >> >>>> know what a STOP sign means,
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Sonny
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >>>> From: "dgrev" <dgrev@iinet.net.au>
> >> >>>> To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List"
> >> >>>> <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
> >> >>>> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 10:11 PM
> >> >>>> Subject: Re: [MV] WWII DC3
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> > Jeff
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> >> The planes I rent have all the latest
> GPS,
> >> >>>> weather nav
> >> >>>> >> garbage, personally I have no use for it.
> I
> >> like
> >> >>>> to
> >> >>>> >> follow the landscape, roads, terrain,
> turn
> >> on the
> >> >>>> NDB
> >> >>>> >> maybe, even try to avoid using VOR's but
> in
> >> a
> >> >>>> pinch I
> >> >>>> >> will, Kinda scary flying commercial these
> >> days
> >> >>>> knowing
> >> >>>> >> some young buck up there has his training
> >> from
> >> >>>> playing
> >> >>>> >> nintendo!!
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> > I take it that in the US you have the same
> >> >>>> abreviations
> >> >>>> > as we do (our system is based on yours) so
> >> when
> >> >>>> all else
> >> >>>> > fails it's back to the basics:
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> > VFR = Visually Follow Roads.
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> > IFR = I Follow Roads.
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> > It certainly does make you wonder how the
> >> world
> >> >>>> will
> >> >>>> > survive if there is ever an EMP pulse.
> >> >>>> > Bang will go all the ground based nav
> aids. I
> >> have
> >> >>>> no idea if the
> >> >>>> > satellites are hardened?
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> > The way things are these days, even your
> >> fridge
> >> >>>> and stove have electronics
> >> >>>> > and will be fried!
> >> >>>> > Same with Solargisers too.
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> > Of late, there appears to be a lot of
> >> ancillary
> >> >>>> military
> >> >>>> > equipment (ie, base vehicles, computers
> etc)
> >> that
> >> >>>> are
> >> >>>> > civilian spec. They won't be much good
> >> either.
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> > > Kinda scary flying commercial these days
> >> knowing
> >> >>>> > > some young buck up there has his
> training
> >> from
> >> >>>> playing
> >> >>>> > > nintendo!!
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> > There has been some stuff on TV of late
> that
> >> the
> >> >>>> Europeans
> >> >>>> > have noticed that the Nintendo generation
> >> make for
> >> >>>> lousy
> >> >>>> > drivers, not better ones. You don't get 3
> >> lives in
> >> >>>> the real
> >> >>>> > world. Thus they are having to start
> driver
> >> >>>> training in schools
> >> >>>> > with lots of crash pics to get it through
> to
> >> the
> >> >>>> kids that cars
> >> >>>> > are not "virtual" devices and do obey
> >> neutonian
> >> >>>> laws of motion.
> >> >>>> > Not that anyone is taught history
> >> anymore........
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> > Regards
> >> >>>> > Doug
> >> >>>> >
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