From: Rick v100 (rickv100@yahoo.com)
Date: Fri Oct 21 2005 - 08:24:56 PDT
Thanks for the clarification. Interesting to see what
happens with it.
Rick
--- G Shaw <milspectruck@verizon.net> wrote:
> Hi Guys;
> Before everyone goes off speculating too much, here
> is a little info on the
> old APC thing. I was a manager of a part of the DOD
> Surplus Prop program
> for a while and can elighten this situation
> possibly.
>
> Basically all the common mil surplus gear that is
> provided to cerified DLEA
> (Drug Control Law Enforcement Agencies) is broken
> down into 4 classes.
> Demil Yes or No, and Major Inventory or Minor.
> Examples: Binoculars=Demil
> No, Invent. Minor., Chev M1008= Demil No, Invent.
> Major, Ammo=Demil yes,
> Invent Minor, Weapons=Demil Yes Invent Major.
>
> Anything classed as a minor inventory item can be
> legally disposed of after
> offering it to other Project Northstar or 1208
> Agencies immediately upon
> determination of Non-need.
>
> Any item that is a major inventory item must be held
> for 2 years and then
> may be legally disposed of by donation or sale.
>
> Any Demil Item that is un-needed MUST be returned to
> the DRMO or the DLA
> must be notified in writing of the case upon which
> they will determine what
> to do with the item. Many times there is another
> agency looking for such a
> thing. Right now there is a waiting list for the
> V100-150 rubber tired
> Armored vehicles for example. M113's ARE NOT
> released intact to non mil or
> police entities. Some demilled M113 vehicles that
> were obtained by private
> citizens from Canada ????? and restored brought over
> 75,000.00 recently in a
> public sale.
>
> An example of Demil Yes Inventory Minor would be
> PVS7B NVGs.
>
> An example of Demil Yes Inventory Major would be a
> M113 APC.
>
> A few years ago the agency was giving away hundreds
> of almost new M113 for
> free. They were being turned in and the units were
> drawing Bradley AFV's.
> Agencies had to provide their own shipping from Fort
> Hood TX. The case in
> CA is possibly one of these as although there were
> few takers on the deal,
> the Feds including the Marshals took a ton of them
> away. That M113 would be
> on the SME (Significant Military Equipment) list,
> the Major End Item
> Inventory List, and The Demil List. They were given
> away with NO strings
> EXCEPT for one easy to follow one; upon desire to
> dispose of the item, the
> DLA had to be contacted for instructions. Failure
> to do so is a 10 year
> Federal crime. The original agency that drew it
> from the program would have
> to still be carrying it on its inventory to this
> day, including where it was
> donated, as well as the Sheriff that received it
> through the program as an
> Interagency Donation. The DLA in Battle Creek will
> have the vehicle SN and
> transaction paperwork on file and it can be obtained
> with 1 phone call. In
> conclusion the people in possession of it today just
> don't know what they
> are doing and should make a few calls. They will
> find themselves in
> considerable legal jeopardy if the law is not
> followed on a significant
> item. They can scrap it but DLA would supervise the
> Demilling and scrapping
> and the CA county may keep the proceeds from this
> 20K pound aluminum vehicle
> after it is sold. Anyway hope that this clears up a
> little of the
> questions.
>
> Glenn
>
> PS. Law Enforcement agencies do have to have a
> title in most states as well
> as registration on motor vehicles including CA. But
> it is fee exempt.
> M113's ARE NOT considered a "motor vehicle" under
> the title law anyway, and
> the agency would never get a form 97 for this piece
> of equipment obtained
> through the Northstar program.
>
>
> So a Sheriff's Department in the state of california
> does not need a vehicle
> title and registration?
>
> Bet there is a law that says they do.
>
> Fifteen years and no papers.
>
> A person would think they would need the paperwork
> to sell or scrap it too.
>
> Wonder who held the Form 97? Was there an End Use
> Agreement?
>
>
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