From: MV (MV@dc9.tzo.com)
Date: Fri Dec 23 2005 - 23:20:38 PST
The really confusing part is that what is actually enforced is only a
For instance, you can drive a triaxle dump truck back and forth the
Indiana has some rules for farmers driving semis that is totally
In northern Indiana, near Elkhart, there are a number of Semi tractor
I was talking to a steel hauler the other day who drives loads out of
If I was to pile up all of the regulations that are suppose to be
I think Tim's statement is exactly correct. We have the best government
Dave
timothy.smith1@att.net wrote:
portion of the applicable law - if that.
Indiana/Ohio state line every day of the year without an IRP plate that
is legally required and no one will pull you over. Put a 10K tag
trailer behind that dump truck and the cops will be on your tail. I
don't know why, but that is the way it works.
ignored. From talking to farmers around here, they have been driving
their full blown semis to the grain elevator for years and never even
thought about getting CDL. Even the written law contradicts itself.
conversion companies that turn full blown semi tractors into super
toters or giant motor homes. No CDL required.
Gary, Indiana to Detroit. There is some unwritten rule that the guys
hauling loads out of Gary can run Michigan rigs (160K GVW) in Indiana if
they are headed to Michigan. Apparently the steel companies leaned on
the Indiana government to stop hassling overloaded steel trucks. (Of
course sometimes they have to drive to Ohio, and that seems to be ok
also! But don't drive the same rig to Cincinnati, that is a no no.
followed for a commercial interstate semi driver the stack would look
like a phone book for Detroit. About 3 inches thick. There are so many
rules, that I know that a lot of truckers simply do what is absolutely
required at the time and if they get a ticket for Xyz regulation,
section 99, part 81, they simply consider the citation a periodic road
tax and go on.
money can buy. I think the only thing more complicated than the laws
regulating trucking is the IRS tax code.
> To put it in the southern states vernacular..."Be nice to the lady behind the counter. Sometimes you'll get more meat in your taco."
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> You guys ARE right about one important thing...and that is that the person at the goverment office, or the officer along the road doesn't necessarily know what he/she's talking about or may be trying to take the path of least resistance. On the OTHER hand he MIGHT know exactly what he's talking about.
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> I've heard some pretty weird stuff from some of you and so that you know, if you put it in the form of a statement, rather than a question, I didn't correct you!
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> We all have "senior moments" and if you guys have been sharing the private return emails I've made to your questions, you can plainly see this is a complex subject with many, MANY pitfalls. Messing up is doubly difficult when you realize later that you screwed some guy's day up unecessarily.
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> I have a few bad stories to tell along these lines; even one where I screwed up. But I made that one right when we got to court, killed it and as courteously as I could, apologized for all the inconvenience because I dumb-assed out....and I only waited THAT long because the interim prosecutor didn't know me well enough to be comfortable quashing the ticket beforehand on my word alone.
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>>From an enforcement persective I can only add this small piece of advice to everyone on both sides of the fence... and that is when you find yourself in these circumstances, try to keep an open mind and leave the ego out of it. You might learn something and you might get to teach something to someone else. Either way, you come out ahead in the long run.
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> TJ
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>>Heed this advice ladies and gentlemen in regards to the DL CDL and all the
>>enforcement of same. No matter how right you might be, you always stand a
>>chance of crossing paths with a LEO who is having a "bad day." Do your best
>>to
>>be polite and respectful and you stand a better chance for a favorable
>>outcome. Don't be ignorant of the laws but if you are going to challenge the
>>LEO,
>>be tactful and polite. I would rather take my knowledge to court if forward
>>progress doesn't look promising with the LEO. Sometimes knowing everything at
>>the scene of a traffic stop can be counterproductive. LEOs are no different
>>than any other folks in any other occupation, they have bad days just the
>>same. I'm not saying bow down at their presence, just giving free advice for a
>>better outcome. More recent entries into the field of law enforcement are
>>letter of the law folks vs us older LEOs who are spirit of the law. Not much
>>discretion is used among the newer LEOs. Again this is only a suggestion for
>>a better outcome of a traffic stop. By the way, not much response on my
>>previous question asking how many folks have been stopped and cited with the
>>MVs
>>and what became of it. It just doesn't seem that we (MVers) get stopped very
>>much at all.
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