From: Glenn McCalley (glenn@combatcatering.com)
Date: Sat Dec 24 2005 - 06:32:39 PST
So what else is new?
Back during the oil embargo of the 70's in western Maryland, West VA and
western PA lots of little marginal coal sites reopened. You could weigh
anything your little heart desired -- as long as you were hauling coal.
National defense, you know. Guys were building 2 x 10 frames 3 boards high
around the beds of their dumps and poof! an 18 yard dump!
Then the oil came back and the golden age of backwoods coal hauling was
over, along with the bull market in clutches and brake linings.
Glenn.
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> The really confusing part is that what is actually enforced is only a
From: "MV" <MV@dc9.tzo.com>
To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 2:20 AM
Subject: Re: [MV] Clarification 2
> portion of the applicable law - if that.
>
> For instance, you can drive a triaxle dump truck back and forth the
> Indiana/Ohio state line every day of the year without an IRP plate that
> is legally required and no one will pull you over. Put a 10K tag
> trailer behind that dump truck and the cops will be on your tail. I
> don't know why, but that is the way it works.
>
> Indiana has some rules for farmers driving semis that is totally
> ignored. From talking to farmers around here, they have been driving
> their full blown semis to the grain elevator for years and never even
> thought about getting CDL. Even the written law contradicts itself.
>
> In northern Indiana, near Elkhart, there are a number of Semi tractor
> conversion companies that turn full blown semi tractors into super
> toters or giant motor homes. No CDL required.
>
> I was talking to a steel hauler the other day who drives loads out of
> Gary, Indiana to Detroit. There is some unwritten rule that the guys
> hauling loads out of Gary can run Michigan rigs (160K GVW) in Indiana if
> they are headed to Michigan. Apparently the steel companies leaned on
> the Indiana government to stop hassling overloaded steel trucks. (Of
> course sometimes they have to drive to Ohio, and that seems to be ok
> also! But don't drive the same rig to Cincinnati, that is a no no.
>
> If I was to pile up all of the regulations that are suppose to be
> followed for a commercial interstate semi driver the stack would look
> like a phone book for Detroit. About 3 inches thick. There are so many
> rules, that I know that a lot of truckers simply do what is absolutely
> required at the time and if they get a ticket for Xyz regulation,
> section 99, part 81, they simply consider the citation a periodic road
> tax and go on.
>
> I think Tim's statement is exactly correct. We have the best government
> money can buy. I think the only thing more complicated than the laws
> regulating trucking is the IRS tax code.
>
> Dave
>
> timothy.smith1@att.net wrote:
> > To put it in the southern states vernacular..."Be nice to the lady
behind the counter. Sometimes you'll get more meat in your taco."
> >
> > You guys ARE right about one important thing...and that is that the
person at the goverment office, or the officer along the road doesn't
necessarily know what he/she's talking about or may be trying to take the
path of least resistance. On the OTHER hand he MIGHT know exactly what he's
talking about.
> >
> > I've heard some pretty weird stuff from some of you and so that you
know, if you put it in the form of a statement, rather than a question, I
didn't correct you!
> >
> > We all have "senior moments" and if you guys have been sharing the
private return emails I've made to your questions, you can plainly see this
is a complex subject with many, MANY pitfalls. Messing up is doubly
difficult when you realize later that you screwed some guy's day up
unecessarily.
> >
> > I have a few bad stories to tell along these lines; even one where I
screwed up. But I made that one right when we got to court, killed it and
as courteously as I could, apologized for all the inconvenience because I
dumb-assed out....and I only waited THAT long because the interim prosecutor
didn't know me well enough to be comfortable quashing the ticket beforehand
on my word alone.
> >
> >>From an enforcement persective I can only add this small piece of advice
to everyone on both sides of the fence... and that is when you find yourself
in these circumstances, try to keep an open mind and leave the ego out of
it. You might learn something and you might get to teach something to
someone else. Either way, you come out ahead in the long run.
> >
> > TJ
> >
> > -------------- Original message ----------------------
> > From: Recovry4x4@aol.com
> >
> >>Heed this advice ladies and gentlemen in regards to the DL CDL and all
the
> >>enforcement of same. No matter how right you might be, you always
stand a
> >>chance of crossing paths with a LEO who is having a "bad day." Do
your best
> >>to
> >>be polite and respectful and you stand a better chance for a favorable
> >>outcome. Don't be ignorant of the laws but if you are going to
challenge the
> >>LEO,
> >>be tactful and polite. I would rather take my knowledge to court if
forward
> >>progress doesn't look promising with the LEO. Sometimes knowing
everything at
> >>the scene of a traffic stop can be counterproductive. LEOs are no
different
> >>than any other folks in any other occupation, they have bad days just
the
> >>same. I'm not saying bow down at their presence, just giving free
advice for a
> >>better outcome. More recent entries into the field of law enforcement
are
> >>letter of the law folks vs us older LEOs who are spirit of the law.
Not much
> >>discretion is used among the newer LEOs. Again this is only a
suggestion for
> >>a better outcome of a traffic stop. By the way, not much response on
my
> >>previous question asking how many folks have been stopped and cited
with the
> >>MVs
> >>and what became of it. It just doesn't seem that we (MVers) get
stopped very
> >>much at all.
> >>
> >>
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