From: Glen Closson (glen_closson@earthlink.net)
Date: Wed Jan 11 2006 - 11:25:47 PST
-----Original Message-----
>From: MV <MV@dc9.tzo.com>
>Sent: Jan 11, 2006 10:43 AM
>To: Military Vehicles Mailing List <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
>Subject: Re: [MV] [Fwd: [inmvpa] i need your help, please] - I'm just getting squeezed
>
>
>I guess the question is: Is it fraud to register a vehicle or trailer
>where you don't live. I'm not sure about that.
>
>Commercially, you will find that trucking companies do not necessarily
>license their vehicles in the state where they are operated the most.
>The bigger semis are usually apportioned to spread the cash to the money
>sucking states, but the smaller trucks and trailers are registered
>wherever they want to do so.
>
>I see a lot of tree trimming rigs registered down in Florida or Georgia
>that operate in the Midwest during the summer.
>
>I've got a company and I regularly operate in several different states.
> My insurance company knows this and charges me accordingly. They have
>never asked for a storage location, but then I'm talking about commercial.
>
>Even so, my regular auto insurance agent has never asked where the cars
>are kept either. I'm sure that the local tax collector would have an
>interest in where I register my vehicles, but what's new. If you own a
>boat and you use it mostly in a different state than were you live, you
>are suppose to register it in that state.
>
>Also, my trailers are not insured and insurance is not required for them
>to be licensed, so why don't I register the trailers in the cheapest
>state around? This is not minor dollars - Indiana gets about $350 for
>a 16,000 lb plate trailer tag. But only about $40 for a semi trailer
>tag. (Figure that one out) I've got several trailers. My trailer
>registration bill will be way over $1,000 this year. Michigan is now
>offering permanent tags for trailers which might be a lot better than
>paying $350 every year that I run this one trailer.
>
>I'm just trying to figure out how to do this while spending less money
>in 2006. With the low inflation we have according to the Gov_ment, (and
>if you believe that I have a bridge to sell you) it is hard for me to
>understand why my property taxes are doubling, fuel prices have almost
>doubled, insurance is going up, etc yet my customers don't want me to
>double my rates. Hmmmmmm....
>
>So ..I'm getting squeezed....
>
>Dave
>
>
>
> >Beware that this is fraud both with your registration and your
> >insurance and
> >has MANY pitfalls. You must have a verifiable garaged address for the
> >insurance companies as well as the taxes. PO Boxes are unacceptable
> >except
> >as a business mailing address. I would be wary of committing all
>kinds >of
> >felonies and misdemeanors in a vain effort to get around the primary
> >issue.
>
>
>
>G Shaw wrote:
>> Hey guys, just a step back from the issue for a second;
>>
>> Beware that this is fraud both with your registration and your insurance and
>> has MANY pitfalls. You must have a verifiable garaged address for the
>> insurance companies as well as the taxes. PO Boxes are unacceptable except
>> as a business mailing address. I would be wary of committing all kinds of
>> felonies and misdemeanors in a vain effort to get around the primary issue.
>> This will do everyone a lot more harm than good. Does the state of Kansas
>> have right to not certify a certain type of vehicle for everyday road use??
>> This has already been decided many times in the courts. It is a priviledge,
>> not a right to use a vehicle on the road as the state may see fit. And the
>> state will execute their power and defend it in the courts.
>>
>> If you look at the argument raised by the Ferret owner pretty much every
>> clause is quite weak in its legal standing. Although we may not like the
>> outcome, Kansas has many different solid arguments that they may use in
>> court (and will) to support their refusal to issue the priviledge of driving
>> this armored military vehicle on the public way. Safety issues specific to
>> the vehicles odd seating, non standard steering controls, limited visibility
>> and the safety of other travelers near it on the highway , along with the
>> ever present public policy issues to do with Private Armor in this day and
>> age of Terrorist threats. Does anyone else see the day coming when Private
>> Armor will reside only in collections or be trucked out to a parade or show
>> on a flatbed? I see it as a real possibility the way things are going. You
>> will find that support for the owners of this Armor being able to be owned
>> at all or driven on the highway, with the general public, is about as great
>> as for anyone being able to walk around with a sub machine gun at the mall.
>> We have to face up to what the reality of this is today. People are afraid
>> out there.
>>
>> Does the MVPA "want" to make a stand on this issue here and now? I don't
>> know. It may have as much downside as up to make a big stink of this in the
>> Public Forum. If the case is lost it will become a far more widespread
>> policy in many more states. Maybe discretion would be the better part of
>> valor on this at this time. Perhaps this guy can just move on to another
>> type of MV and have some fun instead of giving himself a lot of trouble all
>> the way around. It is certain that the legal costs where this is heading
>> are going to be FAR more than the Ferret cost in the first place. I was not
>> going to post anything on this, but I think that everyone should take a look
>> at the long view of the big picture without emotion before flying off on
>> this. It will end up being argued by legal pros far better than I soon
>> enough if it keeps moving up the docket as they say. We shall see.
>>
>> Glenn
>> MTA
>> MVPA
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Military Vehicles Mailing List [mailto:mil-veh@mil-veh.org] On Behalf
>> Of MV
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 9:01 AM
>> To: Military Vehicles Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [MV] [Fwd: [inmvpa] i need your help, please]
>>
>>
>> Does anyone have any experience in doing this? Particulary between
>> Indiana and Michigan or Ohio or Illinois?
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> laptops wrote:
>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Maguire" <dmaguire@mchsi.com>
>>>To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
>>>Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 11:14 PM
>>>Subject: [MV] [Fwd: [inmvpa] i need your help, please]
>>>
>>>Here is what I would do.Go to Illinois and get a pobx and get Illonois
>>>Plates and tell Kanas where to stick it
>>>Gordon
>>>
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