From: timothy.smith1@att.net
Date: Wed Jan 18 2006 - 04:52:12 PST
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Darrell Ramsell" <daram@comcast.net>
> I forgot to mention a couple of other things.
>
> You may want to research all the codes she quoted (K.S.A. 8-127(a), K.S.A.
> 8-2002(a)(3)). You may find something useful to fight back with. I would
> also investigate what law gives her the authority to do what she did.
>
> By the way, here is the e-mail address for lady who just made up the new
> rule.
> "Signed: Carmen Aldrett, Director of Motor Vehicles"
> carmen_alldritt@kdor.state.ks.us <carmen_alldritt@kdor.state.ks.us>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Darrell Ramsell" <daram@comcast.net>
> To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 11:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [MV] Kansas denied ALL armored vehilce registraions, its time
> to do something now
>
>
> > To the person in Kansas.
> >
> > I have some suggestions that you may or may have not considered.
> >
> > 1. I would definitely get a lawyer. (I'm willing to make a donation for
> > this).
> > 2. Try to find out who her boss is and see if he is more armor friendly
> > and get him to override her decision.
> > 3. Find out how she got her position. If it is appointed or elected,
> > then you can campaign to get her removed.
> > 4. Find a state representative that is armor friendly and ask for his
> > assistant to create a law allowing all historical military vehicles to be
> > registered, thus it would void her letter.
> > 5. Share her e-mail address with everyone so they can voice their
> > complaint.
> > 6. When pressing your case and you come across anyone who appears
> > against it. Ask them the following questions.
> > a. Tell me when was the last time a privately owned military vehicle
> > was used to commit a crime?
> > b. When was the last time a privately owned vehicle killed someone?
> > c. When was the last time a privately owned was involved in a auto
> > accident?
> > I'm sure, with an exception to the last one that they will not be able to
> > answer them. Why? Because people like us who own these type of vehicle
> > are very aware or the destructive capabilities. We know that any such
> > mishap would jeopardize our possessions of such vehicle. Because of this
> > we take great care to avoid them.
> >
> > 7. Last resort, register your vehicle out of state. I'm sure that many
> > on this list would be willing to help.
> >
> > Darrell
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Dave Thomas" <davesgmc4u@yahoo.com>
> > To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 8:08 PM
> > Subject: [MV] Kansas denied ALL armored vehilce registraions, its time to
> > do something now
> >
> >
> >> Hi group. I am a new member and owner of a ferret. I
> >> have been
> >> fighting to get it licensesd here in the state of
> >> Kansas. below is a
> >> copy from an email composed by a fellow ferret owner
> >> that has been
> >> of great help to me in getting it registered. I
> >> suggest you all read
> >> it, as it concerns everyone with this mans decsion.
> >>
> >> I have scanned copies of the letter and "policy" in
> >> .pdf format that I can email you if you wish.
> >>
> >> _____________________________________________________________________
> >>
> >> Please read this information. The State of Kansas has
> >> declared no
> >> more armored vehicles may be licensed there. I have no
> >> idea how this
> >> will impact those already licensed - maybe they will
> >> have their
> >> licenses rescinded or not renewed. It is a very
> >> dangerous situation
> >> of other owners if this catches on in other states.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Ian Wallace
> >>
> >> MVPA #20862
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Ferret-heaven@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ferret-
> >> heaven@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ian Wallace
> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 7:05 PM
> >> To: Ferret-heaven@yahoogroups.com
> >> Subject: [Ferret-heaven] Kansas Licensing
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> The State of Kansas has provided me with a "official"
> >> copy of a
> >> policy declaring a Ferret, and everything else
> >> armored, unfit for
> >> licensing in Kansas. First the letter from Mr. Moser:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Dear Mr. Wallace,
> >>
> >> Enclosed you will find a copy of the Director of
> >> Vehicles
> >> Declaration regarding the registration of privately
> >> owned armored
> >> military combat vehicles you requested. In view of the
> >> lawful
> >> declaration issued by the director, the Division of
> >> Vehicles
> >> considers this matter closed and no further
> >> correspondence will be
> >> responded to. Thank you for you interest and
> >> attention.
> >>
> >> Sincerely, Mathew H. Moser, Manager, Titles and
> >> Registrations
> >> Bureau, Division of Vehicles
> >>
> >> Now we have the policy. The emphasis is mine!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE, DIVIS ION OF VEHICLES
> >>
> >> POLICY DECLARATION 06-01
> >>
> >> PRIVATELY OWNED SURPLUS ARMORED MILITARY COMBAT
> >> VEHICLES
> >>
> >> Whereas armored military combat vehicles are not
> >> manufactured or
> >> intended for general transportation purposes or use by
> >> the public on
> >> public reads and includes: tanks, half-tracks, armored
> >> personnel
> >> carriers, self-propelled artillery and armored
> >> anti-tank or scout
> >> vehicles.
> >>
> >> Whereas privately owned surplus armored military
> >> combat vehicles are
> >> not manufactured with proper safety equipment and pose
> >> a traffic
> >> hazard if operated on public roads.
> >>
> >> Whereas privately owned surplus armored military
> >> combat vehicles are
> >> dedicated weapons of war with no private adaptable
> >> civilian purpose.
> >>
> >> Whereas privately owned surplus armored military
> >> combat vehicles are
> >> a cause of concern for law enforcement and homeland
> >> security.
> >>
> >> Whereas the Division of Vehicles is to exercise
> >> administrative
> >> functions and authority for the development of vehicle
> >> registration
> >> policy.
> >>
> >> NOW THEREFORE pursuant to K.S.A. 8-127(a), and the
> >> authority vested
> >> in me as the Director of Vehicles, I declare it shall
> >> be the policy
> >> of the Division of Vehicles not to permit privately
> >> owned surplus
> >> armored military combat vehicles application for
> >> registration. Any
> >> operation of privately owned surplus military combat
> >> vehicles on
> >> public roads shall be in accordance with the
> >> provisions of K.S.A. 8-
> >> 2002(a)(3) and under the regulation of local
> >> authorities permitting
> >> or prohibiting processions or assemblages on the
> >> highways.
> >>
> >> I hereby direct the Titles and Registrations Bureau to
> >> make
> >> available copies of this policy to all county and
> >> state motor
> >> vehicle offices and personnel charged with the
> >> administration of
> >> motor vehicle registrations. This policy declaration
> >> shall be filed
> >> at the Titles and Registrations Bureau and is
> >> effective November 18,
> >> 2005.
> >>
> >> Signed: Carmen Aldrett, Director of Motor Vehicles
> >>
> >> Now some observations. First, Mr. Moser is getting
> >> tired of the
> >> pressure, and won't respond any more. Little does he
> >> know that
> >> others will be in contact.
> >>
> >> Second, look carefully at the policy. It is Policy
> >> #06-01. Perhaps
> >> the Division of Motor Vehicles thinks that we are all
> >> dummies, and
> >> that they can pull one over on us. I am willing to bet
> >> 00DC81 that
> >> this policy was entered into official Kansas records
> >> NO EARLIER than
> >> the date that my letter requesting the written policy
> >> arrived. That
> >> would be around the first few days of January. Their
> >> policy numbers
> >> relate to 1) the year of issuance, and 2) the
> >> sequential number of
> >> the policy. I am positive that this policy was not
> >> created back on
> >> November 18th as stated in both the policy and the
> >> hand written same
> >> date on the policy by the Director. THERE WAS NO
> >> POLICY IN 2005.
> >> THIS WAS THE FIRST POLICY CREATED IN 2006, #06-1
> >>
> >> The language of the policy is also very disturbing.
> >> Note
> >> that "homeland security" is mentioned. Well, read it
> >> for yourself.
> >> This is a very, very dangerous policy if allowed to
> >> stand. There was
> >> no mention of the name of their legal advisor that I
> >> asked for. I
> >> guess we will have to find that out ourselves.
> >>
> >> I will also post this to other military lists. Copies
> >> have been sent
> >> to Mr. McManus (Consumer Affairs Advocate) at Hagerty
> >> Insurance and
> >> the MVPA Board of Directors.
> >>
> >> So now begins the fight!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Dave Thomas
> >> fortitudine vincimus
> >> "Through endurance we conquer"
> >> 913-219-3179
> >> 1956 Daimler Ferret
> >> 02 BB 68
> >> MVPA 29221
> >>
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