Re: Kansas denied ALL armored vehilce registraions, its time to do something now

From: Kent Schaffer (santoken@bright.net)
Date: Wed Jan 18 2006 - 09:04:43 PST

List,

Some of you may recall several months ago my spouting about the MVPA not
doing what I felt they should be doing...this is prime case in point.
Funny thing is that I received a lot of hatemail (term used lightly, but
it was hardly flaming) for my statements. The MVPA is a special interest
group...and they should start acting like it. If they had been doing
their jobs, this bit in Kansas would have not come to this. </rant>

Now, what can be done about this situation? You all know that this is
the first in a long series of laws like this...and hardly do we want to
give our government a leg to stand on regarding this. Possible future
scenarios:

1) Law like this passes nationwide,
2) Law banning ALL OD vehicles in Kansas banned,
3) Law banning all past MV's in Kansas...or nationwide,
4) [Insert any ridiculous law here]

At this point, an effort MUST be organized...if the MVPA doesn't stop
this, that is. Anyone got a plan? How many individuals from Kansas do
we have here? This must be stopped...just the way it is, fellas.

So, what do we do about it?

Kent

timothy.smith1@att.net wrote:
> I'd like to buy her husband a membership in the MVPA and a subscription to Military Vehicles Magazine. Hee hee he!
> TJ
>
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: "Darrell Ramsell" <daram@comcast.net>
>
>>I forgot to mention a couple of other things.
>>
>>You may want to research all the codes she quoted (K.S.A. 8-127(a), K.S.A.
>>8-2002(a)(3)). You may find something useful to fight back with. I would
>>also investigate what law gives her the authority to do what she did.
>>
>>By the way, here is the e-mail address for lady who just made up the new
>>rule.
>>"Signed: Carmen Aldrett, Director of Motor Vehicles"
>> carmen_alldritt@kdor.state.ks.us <carmen_alldritt@kdor.state.ks.us>
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Darrell Ramsell" <daram@comcast.net>
>>To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
>>Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 11:42 PM
>>Subject: Re: [MV] Kansas denied ALL armored vehilce registraions, its time
>>to do something now
>>
>>
>>
>>>To the person in Kansas.
>>>
>>>I have some suggestions that you may or may have not considered.
>>>
>>>1. I would definitely get a lawyer. (I'm willing to make a donation for
>>>this).
>>>2. Try to find out who her boss is and see if he is more armor friendly
>>>and get him to override her decision.
>>>3. Find out how she got her position. If it is appointed or elected,
>>>then you can campaign to get her removed.
>>>4. Find a state representative that is armor friendly and ask for his
>>>assistant to create a law allowing all historical military vehicles to be
>>>registered, thus it would void her letter.
>>>5. Share her e-mail address with everyone so they can voice their
>>>complaint.
>>>6. When pressing your case and you come across anyone who appears
>>>against it. Ask them the following questions.
>>>a. Tell me when was the last time a privately owned military vehicle
>>>was used to commit a crime?
>>>b. When was the last time a privately owned vehicle killed someone?
>>>c. When was the last time a privately owned was involved in a auto
>>>accident?
>>>I'm sure, with an exception to the last one that they will not be able to
>>>answer them. Why? Because people like us who own these type of vehicle
>>>are very aware or the destructive capabilities. We know that any such
>>>mishap would jeopardize our possessions of such vehicle. Because of this
>>>we take great care to avoid them.
>>>
>>>7. Last resort, register your vehicle out of state. I'm sure that many
>>>on this list would be willing to help.
>>>
>>>Darrell
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Dave Thomas" <davesgmc4u@yahoo.com>
>>>To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
>>>Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 8:08 PM
>>>Subject: [MV] Kansas denied ALL armored vehilce registraions, its time to
>>>do something now
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hi group. I am a new member and owner of a ferret. I
>>>>have been
>>>>fighting to get it licensesd here in the state of
>>>>Kansas. below is a
>>>>copy from an email composed by a fellow ferret owner
>>>>that has been
>>>>of great help to me in getting it registered. I
>>>>suggest you all read
>>>>it, as it concerns everyone with this mans decsion.
>>>>
>>>>I have scanned copies of the letter and "policy" in
>>>>.pdf format that I can email you if you wish.
>>>>
>>>>_____________________________________________________________________
>>>>
>>>>Please read this information. The State of Kansas has
>>>>declared no
>>>>more armored vehicles may be licensed there. I have no
>>>>idea how this
>>>>will impact those already licensed - maybe they will
>>>>have their
>>>>licenses rescinded or not renewed. It is a very
>>>>dangerous situation
>>>>of other owners if this catches on in other states.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Ian Wallace
>>>>
>>>>MVPA #20862
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: Ferret-heaven@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ferret-
>>>>heaven@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ian Wallace
>>>>Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 7:05 PM
>>>>To: Ferret-heaven@yahoogroups.com
>>>>Subject: [Ferret-heaven] Kansas Licensing
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>The State of Kansas has provided me with a "official"
>>>>copy of a
>>>>policy declaring a Ferret, and everything else
>>>>armored, unfit for
>>>>licensing in Kansas. First the letter from Mr. Moser:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Dear Mr. Wallace,
>>>>
>>>>Enclosed you will find a copy of the Director of
>>>>Vehicles
>>>>Declaration regarding the registration of privately
>>>>owned armored
>>>>military combat vehicles you requested. In view of the
>>>>lawful
>>>>declaration issued by the director, the Division of
>>>>Vehicles
>>>>considers this matter closed and no further
>>>>correspondence will be
>>>>responded to. Thank you for you interest and
>>>>attention.
>>>>
>>>>Sincerely, Mathew H. Moser, Manager, Titles and
>>>>Registrations
>>>>Bureau, Division of Vehicles
>>>>
>>>>Now we have the policy. The emphasis is mine!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE, DIVIS ION OF VEHICLES
>>>>
>>>>POLICY DECLARATION 06-01
>>>>
>>>>PRIVATELY OWNED SURPLUS ARMORED MILITARY COMBAT
>>>>VEHICLES
>>>>
>>>>Whereas armored military combat vehicles are not
>>>>manufactured or
>>>>intended for general transportation purposes or use by
>>>>the public on
>>>>public reads and includes: tanks, half-tracks, armored
>>>>personnel
>>>>carriers, self-propelled artillery and armored
>>>>anti-tank or scout
>>>>vehicles.
>>>>
>>>>Whereas privately owned surplus armored military
>>>>combat vehicles are
>>>>not manufactured with proper safety equipment and pose
>>>>a traffic
>>>>hazard if operated on public roads.
>>>>
>>>>Whereas privately owned surplus armored military
>>>>combat vehicles are
>>>>dedicated weapons of war with no private adaptable
>>>>civilian purpose.
>>>>
>>>>Whereas privately owned surplus armored military
>>>>combat vehicles are
>>>>a cause of concern for law enforcement and homeland
>>>>security.
>>>>
>>>>Whereas the Division of Vehicles is to exercise
>>>>administrative
>>>>functions and authority for the development of vehicle
>>>>registration
>>>>policy.
>>>>
>>>>NOW THEREFORE pursuant to K.S.A. 8-127(a), and the
>>>>authority vested
>>>>in me as the Director of Vehicles, I declare it shall
>>>>be the policy
>>>>of the Division of Vehicles not to permit privately
>>>>owned surplus
>>>>armored military combat vehicles application for
>>>>registration. Any
>>>>operation of privately owned surplus military combat
>>>>vehicles on
>>>>public roads shall be in accordance with the
>>>>provisions of K.S.A. 8-
>>>>2002(a)(3) and under the regulation of local
>>>>authorities permitting
>>>>or prohibiting processions or assemblages on the
>>>>highways.
>>>>
>>>>I hereby direct the Titles and Registrations Bureau to
>>>>make
>>>>available copies of this policy to all county and
>>>>state motor
>>>>vehicle offices and personnel charged with the
>>>>administration of
>>>>motor vehicle registrations. This policy declaration
>>>>shall be filed
>>>>at the Titles and Registrations Bureau and is
>>>>effective November 18,
>>>>2005.
>>>>
>>>>Signed: Carmen Aldrett, Director of Motor Vehicles
>>>>
>>>>Now some observations. First, Mr. Moser is getting
>>>>tired of the
>>>>pressure, and won't respond any more. Little does he
>>>>know that
>>>>others will be in contact.
>>>>
>>>>Second, look carefully at the policy. It is Policy
>>>>#06-01. Perhaps
>>>>the Division of Motor Vehicles thinks that we are all
>>>>dummies, and
>>>>that they can pull one over on us. I am willing to bet
>>>>00DC81 that
>>>>this policy was entered into official Kansas records
>>>>NO EARLIER than
>>>>the date that my letter requesting the written policy
>>>>arrived. That
>>>>would be around the first few days of January. Their
>>>>policy numbers
>>>>relate to 1) the year of issuance, and 2) the
>>>>sequential number of
>>>>the policy. I am positive that this policy was not
>>>>created back on
>>>>November 18th as stated in both the policy and the
>>>>hand written same
>>>>date on the policy by the Director. THERE WAS NO
>>>>POLICY IN 2005.
>>>>THIS WAS THE FIRST POLICY CREATED IN 2006, #06-1
>>>>
>>>>The language of the policy is also very disturbing.
>>>>Note
>>>>that "homeland security" is mentioned. Well, read it
>>>>for yourself.
>>>>This is a very, very dangerous policy if allowed to
>>>>stand. There was
>>>>no mention of the name of their legal advisor that I
>>>>asked for. I
>>>>guess we will have to find that out ourselves.
>>>>
>>>>I will also post this to other military lists. Copies
>>>>have been sent
>>>>to Mr. McManus (Consumer Affairs Advocate) at Hagerty
>>>>Insurance and
>>>>the MVPA Board of Directors.
>>>>
>>>>So now begins the fight!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Dave Thomas
>>>>fortitudine vincimus
>>>>"Through endurance we conquer"
>>>>913-219-3179
>>>>1956 Daimler Ferret
>>>>02 BB 68
>>>>MVPA 29221
>>>>
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