From: dmaguire@mchsi.com
Date: Mon Feb 20 2006 - 03:53:07 PST
Hi Dave,
Your post supports much of what I have seen - and in part why I made the
earlier comment about Ebay wanting to profit from every transaction in the
galaxy. It was just intended to be humorous, but... Ebay warns you not to
transact outside of their arena because you will lose their "protection" and
then provides very little if any when you need it because they are "a user
regulated society." That is the paradox that I find funny. In that regard,
they are a vegetarian restaurant that promises the "best steak in the house" if
you come in. I use it - only got burned on one little transaction with many
good ones - but try to remain aware of both the premium and limitations.
BR,
Dan
Auburn, IN
> I've done over 300 transactions on Ebay - both selling and buying.
>
> Slimballs are slimballs on Ebay or off. I bought a truck from a guy in
> Ohio - was the high bidder - was told it was running - then after
> winning was told it needed the engine reassembled. So apparently it was
> not running - at least that's my best guess. (;->) Fortunately I
> found this out before I sent the cash and before I drove 200+ miles to
> pick it up.
>
> Bought a Sailboat from a guy in Grand Rapids, MI. Turns out he didn't
> own the sailboat, but he had "almost" bought it from a guy in Florida -
> in a previous ebay auction. Talked to Ebay about the obvious fraud - I
> caught the guy red handed - he claimed someone stole his Ebay ID, and
> tried to sell the boat that he "almost" did purchase.... on and on and
> on...
>
> Ebay suspended him for two weeks and then turned him back on. He had a
> postive-only feedback of about 150 at the time. This guy even lied
> through his teeth on the phone. Really bad.
>
> The only way that Ebay might do anything for you at all, and that is a
> big "if", is if a substantial amount of money has already changed hands.
> If no money has changed hands or the amounts are small (<$100), then
> forget it. I pointed out the sailboat fraud - I even found and talked
> to the guy he "almost" bought the sailboat from. Ebay said that since
> no money changed hands they would do nothing and that I should be
> careful!?!?
>
> Most of the "safe selling" stuff on ebay is strictly a con by Ebay. The
> only thing that works is the sellers rating. If the guy is an absolute
> liar, he won't last. But relying on Ebay to "protect" you - now that is
> a laugh! They watch out for themselves and that is about it.
>
> You can spot most ofthe slimeballs pretty easily after some experience.
> For most sellers, if they have a 200+ positive feedback, then they are
> pretty upfront people and you can pretty much safely deal with them
> offline or on. It really doesn't matter IMO.
>
> Dave
>
> Arthur Bloom wrote:
> > They certainly have a vested interest in keeping their transactions within
> > the system. But the after-auction offer leaves the potential buyer with
> > absolutely no protection. The Ebay fee is paid by the seller, and turns out
> > to be good insurance for the buyer.
> >
> > IMHO
> >
> > apb
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Dan Maguire" <dmaguire@mchsi.com>
> > To: "Arthur Bloom" <m35prod@optonline.net>
> > Cc: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
> > Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 6:16 PM
> > Subject: Re: [MV] Jeeps near Petersburg, VA
> >
> >
> > | Was that deal "outside the box?" He was the high bidder but didn't meet
> > | reserve. The seller and he (i.e., the winner) reached a satisfactory
> > | price. Isn't that the way it is supposed to go? I thought so but now
> > | am not so sure.
> > |
> > | Unrelated... I always thought that Ebay warned against outside deals
> > | because they want to profit from every sales transaction in the galaxy.
> > |
> > | BR,
> > | Dan
> > | Auburn, IN
> > |
> > | Arthur Bloom wrote:
> > |
> > | > Yup. Ebay expressly warns about trying to make a deal outside the box.
> > This
> > | > is probably why.
> > | >
> > | > apb
> > | >
> > | > ----- Original Message -----
> > | > From: <MPop5555@aol.com>
> > | > To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
> > | > Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 7:38 AM
> > | > Subject: [MV] Jeeps near Petersburg, VA
> > | >
> > | >
> > | > | Anyone deal with a guy by the name of Nick who has a bunch of Jeeps in
> > | > | Petersburg, VA? Well, I have and I never will again!
> > | > |
> > | > | Recently, he posted an M38A1/CJ5 on EBay. I bid on it and although
> > the
> > | > | reserve wasn't met, I was the high bidder. I made an offer and we
> > agreed
> > | > on a
> > | > | price for a running Jeep with mostly everything intact. All he said
> > he
> > | > wanted to
> > | > | remove were the seats and put in different ones.
> > | > |
> > | > | Well, I drove 200 miles out of my way in my Unimog, hauling a 30'
> > trailer
> > | > and
> > | > | an M105A1 to pick up the M38A1. When I got there, the Jeep had been
> > | > stripped
> > | > | of just about any useful part off of the tub, including the windshield
> > | > (which
> > | > | was clearly visible in the EBay auction). Not only that but the motor
> > was
> > | > | NOT running! It was missing the starter, fan, belts, air cleaner
> > housing,
> > | > and a
> > | > | bunch of other stuff.
> > | > |
> > | > | This idiot then tried to convince me that the Jeep ran! He gave me
> > his
> > | > | personal guarantee that it ran! (without major components) When I
> > asked
> > | > him to
> > | > | knock the price down because the Jeep obviously did not run when I
> > came to
> > | > see
> > | > | it, he said he was already taking a beating since he paid too much for
> > it
> > | > | himself.
> > | > |
> > | > | This idiot tried to pull a fast one so I thought I would warn the MV
> > | > | community about him.
> > | > |
> > | > | Thanks for the bandwidth,
> > | > |
> > | > | Mike Pop
> > | > | 1987 Unimog U1300L
> > | > | 1969 Unimog S404.1
> > | > | 1952 M38A1
> > | > | 1966 German Winch Trailer
> > | > | 1970 M105A2 Unimog Camper
> > | > | 1970 M127 Semi Trailer
> > | > | Eureka, NV
> > | > | Spring Lake, NJ
> > | > |
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