From: James Shanks (n1vbn@yahoo.com)
Date: Wed Mar 22 2006 - 20:51:10 PST
I agree,
As an example Railroad Locomotives use a
slo-blow fuse in the starter circuit BUT it is
only there in the event water leaks into a
cylinder and causes hydraulic lock ( engine stops
and won't turn over further as water is not
compressible. Fused at 800 amps for dc generator
equiped locomotives and 400 amps for newer bendix
style starter equiped engines. By the way the
bendix stater equiped engines use TWO starters in
series at 64 volts dc cranking power and fuilly
charged locomotive batteries are stong enough to
weld withwith the engine shut down.) after the
engine stops rotating it will blow the fuse
about 2 seconds after the engine stops rotating.
Replace the starter relay under the dash like
I wrote earlier and no more problem.
James Shanks
1985 M-1009
--- MV <MV@dc9.tzo.com> wrote:
> Exactly, and for us amateur welders out who
> have caught ourselves on
> fire more than once, you know that with only
> 150-250 amps of current you
> can heat up a lot of metal fast and make a
> dandy fire in no time at all.
> (;->) Hence a fuse of that size would be of
> limited use. It would
> probably only blow if you had a dead short
> (unlikely) and your battery
> was in really good shape.
>
> Dave
>
> Glen Closson wrote:
> > You could fuse the lin, but it would be
> difficult. Starters draw 300-400 amps under
> load.
> >
> > Glen
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >
> >>From: MV <MV@dc9.tzo.com>
> >>Sent: Mar 20, 2006 11:36 AM
> >>To: Military Vehicles Mailing List
> <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
> >>Subject: Re: [MV] M1009 CUCV problem
> >>
> >>This would seem like a logical solution - and
> if it were possible, I
> >>would think that it would be done by the
> manufacturers. I don't believe
> >>that you can fuse that link effectively.
> Spinning a stubborn motor with
> >>a 12 volt or 24 volt motor is very close to a
> short circuit. Too close
> >>in fact. I doubt that a fuse could
> differentiate between a faltering
> >>starter and a stubborn starting engine.
> Hence if you setup a fuse to
> >>blow when the starter falters - it is likely
> that you would have
> >>nuisance fuses being blown each time you had
> to crank it over a little
> >>more than usual.
> >>
> >>I'm sure a more elaborate protection scheme
> could be designed, but it
> >>could get expensive, and car makers are not
> into putting in any cost
> >>that doesn't have a direct impact on
> increased car sales or safety.
> >>
> >>Dave
> >>
> >>
> >>Sean Nichols wrote:
> >>
> >>>OK, so here's a question related to this
> failure:
> >>>
> >>>Given the possibility of this happening,
> would it be wise or at least
> >>>make sense to put some sort of fusable link
> inline between the starter
> >>>and the battery? Seems like it would be
> cheap insurance if something
> >>>like that happened.
> >>>
> >>>Armchair CUCV electrical engineers what say
> you?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>On 3/18/06, Sonny Heath <sonny@defuniak.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>I've got starters for $150.00
> >>>>
> >>>>Sonny
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>----- Original Message -----
> >>>>From: "MV" <MV@dc9.tzo.com>
> >>>>To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List"
> <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
> >>>>Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 1:02 PM
> >>>>Subject: Re: [MV] M1009 CUCV problem
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Sounds like a starter solenoid failure to
> me - probably welded in.
> >>>>>Nothing is fused. Starter pulls in and
> can't rotate for some reason -
> >>>>>basically a short circuit - huge power
> draws - everything gets hot and
> >>>>>oftentimes catches on fire.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Solution - buy a bunch of new parts and
> install. (:-<)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Dave
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Mark B. Anderson wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>Hi all,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>went to start my M1009 this morning.
> >>>>>>ok manual glowed plugs truck turned over
> but never started tried again
> >>>>>>and then there was smoke. lifted hood
> both batteries were melting and
> >>>>>>the wires were on fire.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>ok what happened anyone else ever had
> this happen? to me seems like
> >>>>>>something stuck with shorting the 24
> volt?
> >>>>>>any ideas on what to look for or replace
> first??
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>any help here would be great.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
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