Re: Gas Prices/Alcohol as a solution

From: MV (MV@dc9.tzo.com)
Date: Wed Apr 26 2006 - 10:56:29 PDT


The idea of using ethanol as a substitute for oil should be looked at
carefully. I have heard many times that the amount of energy necessary
to produce alcohol exceeded the energy value obtained from the same
amount of alcohol. I do a lot of work with a major distillery and they
go through a tremendous amount of coal to produce ethanol for beverages.
   And that is after the corn and grain has been planted, fertilized,
harvested, and then transported to the distillery - all of which consume
plain diesel fuel (tractor and truck fuel) and natural gas (fertilizer).
  They really don't care though (to some extent) since coal is fairly
cheap and they get big bucks for a gallon of beverage alcohol. The
quality standards are a lot higher than vehicle alcohol.

Take a look at this:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/03/050329132436.htm

Several different people have come to similar conclusions. Do a web
search - this is nothing new.

Indiana is pushing biofuels really hard right now. I have heard that
the break-even price for making ethanol from corn is $2.90/gallon with
government subsidies. Gee, what is gas going for now?? But Indiana
also grows a lot of corn and soybeans - so you should not be surprised
that governor Mitch (got a highway to sell) Daniels is pushing that.

We have a huge amount of coal in this country - 250 years worth the last
I heard. I think it is time we start using some of those resources to
produce petro products.

Of course if we start doing that I'm sure that George got-gas? Bush, and
Dick - I got a gun - Cheney will put Exxon on the job so they can make
sure that we pay the proper price. Perhaps Haliburton can help also?

Sooner or later we are going to have to electn some politicians that do
what is good for the people - not what is good for big oil, corn
growers, auto companies, Saudi Arabia, Casino operators, etc. Until
then - we are our own worst enemy.

We are operating under the golden rule now- those that have the gold, rule.

Dave
With a thirsty M-51 gasser with empty tanks. (:-<)



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