From: Rick v100 (rickv100@yahoo.com)
Date: Wed Apr 26 2006 - 11:38:15 PDT
Dave,
They are forecasting $4 gas possibly by end of year so
the tipping point where this becomes energy positive
is rapidly approaching.
One thing is for sure... the Amish don't have to worry
about this stuff.
Rick
--- MV <MV@dc9.tzo.com> wrote:
>
> The idea of using ethanol as a substitute for oil
> should be looked at
> carefully. I have heard many times that the amount
> of energy necessary
> to produce alcohol exceeded the energy value
> obtained from the same
> amount of alcohol. I do a lot of work with a major
> distillery and they
> go through a tremendous amount of coal to produce
> ethanol for beverages.
> And that is after the corn and grain has been
> planted, fertilized,
> harvested, and then transported to the distillery -
> all of which consume
> plain diesel fuel (tractor and truck fuel) and
> natural gas (fertilizer).
> They really don't care though (to some extent)
> since coal is fairly
> cheap and they get big bucks for a gallon of
> beverage alcohol. The
> quality standards are a lot higher than vehicle
> alcohol.
>
> Take a look at this:
>
>
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/03/050329132436.htm
>
> Several different people have come to similar
> conclusions. Do a web
> search - this is nothing new.
>
> Indiana is pushing biofuels really hard right now.
> I have heard that
> the break-even price for making ethanol from corn is
> $2.90/gallon with
> government subsidies. Gee, what is gas going for
> now?? But Indiana
> also grows a lot of corn and soybeans - so you
> should not be surprised
> that governor Mitch (got a highway to sell) Daniels
> is pushing that.
>
> We have a huge amount of coal in this country - 250
> years worth the last
> I heard. I think it is time we start using some of
> those resources to
> produce petro products.
>
> Of course if we start doing that I'm sure that
> George got-gas? Bush, and
> Dick - I got a gun - Cheney will put Exxon on the
> job so they can make
> sure that we pay the proper price. Perhaps
> Haliburton can help also?
>
> Sooner or later we are going to have to electn some
> politicians that do
> what is good for the people - not what is good for
> big oil, corn
> growers, auto companies, Saudi Arabia, Casino
> operators, etc. Until
> then - we are our own worst enemy.
>
> We are operating under the golden rule now- those
> that have the gold, rule.
>
> Dave
> With a thirsty M-51 gasser with empty tanks. (:-<)
>
>
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