Re: [MV] jeep for sale on ebay, weird color!
COLIN STEVENS (colin@pacdat.net)
Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:35:56 -0700
>what is with the weird color of this jeep?
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=162283689
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The jeep looks very nice. Unfortunately the owner of the jeep did not do all
of his homework. From the photos he posted on eBay I note the following:
1. Colour as you pointed out is odd, and may be wrong.
2. Wrong USA registration number on hood. Being a US jeep it should start
"USA 20..." not the USA 33923542. This is a basic error.
3. He does not know the real meaning of GPW - In 1941, G = "Government
(regardless of year), P = 80" wheelbase Reconnaissance Car, and the W =
apparently means Willys pattern". Reference Ford's book "SERVICE SCHOOL FOR
US ARMY Instructors on Ford US Army Vehicles dated 8-5-41 [Aug 5 1941 I
believe if date is written as per the dates stamped on the jeeps] Section
D-12 Page 1 paragraph 2 (reproduced in Ray Cowdery/Merrill M. Madsen's book
All American Wonder The Military Jeep 1941-1945 Vol 1 (1st Edition)1986.
(For the MV list reader who was puzzled about Ford making jeeps see below)
4. Lock out hubs (well, OK, lots of people do that but is not correct).
5. His values on jeeps are off I feel, especially for one with some basic
errors. Restored GPW and MB jeeps tend to go for around US$7,000 -10,000 not
US$20,000 - though a few ask for this price or higher (see below). At his
asking price it could have a matching restored W.W. II trailer, radio, mg &
mount. Current listings in SUPPLY LINE
(MVPA) Sep/Oct 1999: Willys MA US$50,000; Ford GP 4 wheel steer US$38,000;
Ford GP - 2 wheel steer US$23,000; Ford GPW US$6,500; Ford GPW US$22,000;
Willys MB US$3,800 (unrestored, running); Willys MB US$6,800; Willys MB
$7,500.
6. The awards he mentioned would mean much more if the vehicle had been
judged at an MVPA Convention (though even there some glaring errors slip
through there too- I saw two briefly last Sunday. One vehicle had placed
first in its MVPA class, and the other was the MVPA "Best of Show", and both
were
lovely, probably perfect mechanically - in honesty, in far better mechanical
condition than my jeep - but regretably, and needlessly, had glaring errors
in the window positioning on the canvas on one, and on the markings - which
were 1965 or newer style in this case on a W.W. II vehicle).
Ford and Jeeps
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Pygmy - 1940 Ford prototype. Qty - 2
GP - 1941 Ford pre-production jeeps Qty - 3,700 ?
GPW - A standard W.W. II jeep, authorized copy of Willys MB Qty - 277,896 ?
GPA - Amphibious jeep Qty - 12,785 or 12,788 ?
M38CDN - 1952 Ford Motor Company of Canada Qty - 2,135 (ref. Ford, Canada
via Mr. Grieve)
M38A1CDN - 1952-53 Ford Motor Company of Canada Qty - c. 800?
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M151 - Ford invented this jeep-like vehicle (It is NOT a jeep. It is like
the Land Rover, as it is a jeep's cousin - looks kind of like a jeep, acts
kind of like a jeep, but is not a direct decendant) Prototype made in 1952.
Colin Macgregor Stevens
MVPA Member 954 (since 1977)
E-mail: colin@pacdat.net
Personal web site: http://bcoy1cpb.pacdat.net
1944 Willys MB
1942 BSA airborne bicycles (2)
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