From: Bruce Beattie (bruce@eecs.berkeley.edu)
Date: Tue Sep 23 2003 - 13:25:34 PDT
This is what I was told in the Corps, and I believe it was actually in our
Marine Corps handbook under History.
The 45 automatic 1911 A1B1 was built to handle the following problem. During the Philipine war
(not sure about the exact name) the natives would wrap themselves in vines so that durring an attack they
would have a sort of armor, but it would also tend to keep them in tack even if they had multiple wounds.
The 38 cal revolver was the standard issue at that time and was useless at stopping these onslauts.
Thus the demand for stopping power.
Bruce USMC 1972967
"Horrocks, Aaron" wrote:
> That's very interesting that .45 cals are being used to 'fight drugs' since that's what they were first intended for, in a way. When I researched the creation of the .45 cal munitions, I found some interesting stuff. The military requested of manufactures a larger caliber to fight in the trenches of WWI. Apparently active duty was an almost guaranteed death sentence, so the war was bleak and there was widespread drug use... When the enemy poured into the trenches, they weren't going down easily when shot. Hence, the request for a larger caliber ammo for more 'knock-down power'.
>
> Mandatory MV content:
>
> I bought a rifle mount for my jeep that's a reproduction of the one used in MBs, GPWs, 151s, etc. It's the same as the Gunny -R. Lee Ermey- has in his jeep (and I have photos) But I can't find a place to mount it! On the MB/GPW, it would mount on the sheet metal below the windshield (on the part that folds down) but it doesn't look right in that spot on an M38A1, and there's not really any decent place for it that I could find. Where is this rifle mount, supposed to mount?
>
> Aaron Horrocks
>
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> Subject: Re: [MV] full auto and nuther real life war
>
> WARNING: This is not about MV's, but a little bit
> about the military weapon by HK and some
> opinion/observation on a personal level another war:
>
> Consider this a report from the front lines of another
> war, in the past few days we had some real serious
> shootouts here. Our guys were using these new HK full
> auto carbine in .45 cal. when they blew away the bad
> guys, literally....
>
> I'm not much on the .45 cal, having used it in the
> venerable old Colt auto and the Thompson for years.
> When we fired those oldies we could see the rounds
> going down range, no kidding. But, close up and
> personal, well, lets just say a 200 gr. slug has
> plenty of knockdown power!
>
> That brings up what has been going on in marijuana
> fields and cranks labs of Northern California. Our
> law enforcement guys working the raiding teams have
> really been drawing fire. Like I said early, they
> carry this new close range carbine by HK which has
> been proven incredibly effective. 4 of the last 6 bad
> guys were literally cut in half. But, don't feel too
> sorry for the deceased, they were packing full auto
> AK47's, probably sponsored by a cartel since they were
> illegal Mexican Nationals. In the last 3 incidents
> they were all given a chance to surrender and drop
> their weapons (in english and spanish) but these guys
> are pretty determined, they have their orders and they
> all chose to fight and then make a run for it. Wrong
> choice. This is when all Hell breaks loose for about
> 8 seconds.
>
> Years back I recall crawling on my belly through a
> long narrow tunnel, weapon in one hand, the other
> feeling for booby traps. I was point man and I was
> only about 10 inches away when I noticed this very
> thin translucent fishing line. This is not a good
> sign when it's pulled tight across a tunnel. 3 other
> guys were right behind me when I told them to hold it.
> It was wired to an improvised weapon consisting of .12
> gage shell in a block of wood with a mouse trap
> trigger. As I was disarming the device the tail end
> guys says he found one too, only it had been fired and
> the line was laying off to the side and we had missed
> it!
>
> Before my day was over, I found 8 more in very
> creative places ready to fire. There were also fish
> hooks hung at eye level around some trees. That was my
> first time on a raiding team and my big "welcome to
> the wonderful world of drug busts".
>
> Sometimes it's a house, sometimes it's a barn or
> field. You go in by cars, choppers, jeeps,
> motorcycles and sometimes you just crash the gates in
> a special ramming vehicle and hope for the best. It's
> a real war and stakes are pretty high, but most
> citizens don't consider it a big deal, but to the guy
> on point he might as well be in Iraq or Afghanistan,
> its just about like that only the rules of engagement
> are more strict.
>
> With this focus on terrorism and Iraq sometimes we
> forget about this other kind of war going on right
> here at home. Rural areas in California, Texas,
> Virginia, etc. are the new battlefields and not many
> of us are even aware of it.
>
> Unfortunately, the enemy is usually better armed,
> certainly better paid and always outnumber our side
> many times over, but this is the drug war. By the
> way, we are slowly losing this one in case you have
> noticed. We're losing it for the same reason we took
> so many casualities in Nam, we were never committed to
> win in a full-on fight. It was a half-assed managed
> war then and now by incompetent bureacrats, but thats
> a whole other issue!
>
> Thanks for indulging me... later. Jack
>
>
>
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